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Taoism's view of the afterlife

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Magical Realist Offline
"Taoism is part religion and part philosophy, like most Eastern religions. Gods exist in Taoism, but Taoists do not worship any one god. Taoism contains beliefs about what happens after death, but the religion itself is focused almost exclusively on life and how to lead a good one -- or just as importantly, a long one. Taoist beliefs about the afterlife reflect the religion’s approach to life, rather than death.

A Brief History of Taoism

There is no identifiable time when Taoism began. The ideas that came to be known as Taoism were developed through ancient Chinese oral tradition. In the third century B.C., the philosopher Lao-tzu assembled these ideas, or his interpretation of them, in a volume titled “Tao te ching,” which became the fundamental text of Taoism, remaining so until this day. Lao Tzu became the religion’s first “Celestial Master.” There is doubt whether Lao Tzu wrote the book or if he existed at all. Some scholars believe the religion has roots in an earlier collection, “Songs of Chu,” which focused on diet and meditation as means to spiritual and physical health, leading to immortality, a major objective of Taoism.

Basic Principles of Taoist Belief

“Tao” means simply, “way.” While there are numerous other possible translations of the word, such as “course,” “method,” “practice” and so on, “way” is generally considered the best because of its multiple meanings. It can mean the “way” as in “the path,” prescribing a road which followers should take. It can also mean, “way” as in “the way to do something,” giving instructions for specific aspects of life. Simplicity is central to Taoism. People overcomplicate and overthink their lives, the Tao te Ching teaches. Taoism values intuition over logic, effortlessness over toil and most important, peace over conflict.

Taoist Beliefs on Death and the Afterlife

The Taoist view of death may confuse to those accustomed to the detailed, specific portraits the afterlife in Christianity and Islam (Judaism is less clear). There is no doctrine and in fact, what happens after death is not important to Taoists, whose ambition is immortality. Taoism stresses health and longevity through diet and meditation. Death is nothing but a return to the Tao. A practitioner of Taoism strives to render death meaningless by becoming one with the Tao. At that point, whether the person is alive or dead makes no difference.

Death Rites and Rituals in Early Taoist Practice

Taoists were traditionally not concerned about death because they expected to live forever. Inevitably, this proved not to be the case. So they developed elaborate rites to protect the spirit from evil. Taoists believed that the body was populated by many spirits. The idea of funeral rituals was to keep those spirits from straying too far from the deceased's body. Taoists envisioned a complex, bureaucratic hierarchy of spirits who must be petitioned and appeased in order to insure smooth passage to reincarnation. This structure was likely modeled after government bureaucracies of the era, which sound very similar to those that exist today."---- https://classroom.synonym.com/what-do-ta...86979.html
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Syne Offline
(Jan 26, 2019 10:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Taoists believed that the body was populated by many spirits.

A body thetan or a BT is a disincarnate thetan who is "stuck" in, on or near a human body, and all human bodies are said to be infested by these disembodied thetans, or clusters of them.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_thetan

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My occasional references to the superior person are originally from the I Ching which is itself (I think) a spin-off of Taoism. (I anticipate correction on this point.)
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Sounds nice enough. Intuition over logic, though. Suppose our intuition is off? Although, my ''gut feelings'' are usually spot on, should we live our lives just by gut feelings?
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(Jan 26, 2019 10:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Taoism values intuition over logic, effortlessness over toil and most important, peace over conflict.

(Jan 28, 2019 04:32 AM)Leigha Wrote: Sounds nice enough. Intuition over logic, though. Suppose our intuition is off? Although, my ''gut feelings'' are usually spot on, should we live our lives just by gut feelings?

Sounds a bit like this:
"I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being ... factually ... correct than about being morally right." - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Especially when you consider that the socialism she promotes would lead to "effortlessness over toil", as people quit working due to perverse incentives.

Freedom does not exist without conflict, otherwise you're necessarily stifling someone's freedom to ensure peace. And as the saying goes, those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither. Favoring intuition over logic means we cannot derive widespread agreement and must secure peace by one intuitive faction forcefully suppressing others.
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Leigha Offline
Agree with your way of thinking on that. There's really no joy in effortlessness. There would need to be effort, to even understand effortlessness. There needs to be strife, in order to understand (and appreciate) bliss.
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(Jan 26, 2019 10:55 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Death is nothing but a return to the Tao. A practitioner of Taoism strives to render death meaningless by becoming one with the Tao. At that point, whether the person is alive or dead makes no difference.


I remember the "Patchwork Nun" quoting some passages/poems supposedly being handed down from the earlier shamanic era of Daoism. That spoke of striving to acquire the passive, passionless or indifferent character of how the world operated. So that one would become subsumed under that formulaically cyclic or disinterested immortal identity, persisting as it after death. It sounded vaguely similar to an objective vision of the cosmos, although that's fraught with retrospectively interpreting ancient sayings using the filter of modern conceptions. But the prescriptive practice kind of boiled down to gradually setting aside the local personality, the hurts and desires of a contingent human entity and acquiring membership under the ways of that universal or general beinghood.

On the dark side, "1984" echoed its own version of that classic template via endeavoring to become assimilated under a lesser power structure (the Party):

George Orwell: ". . . The individual only has power in so far as he ceases to be an individual. You know the Party slogan: 'Freedom is Slavery'. Has it ever occurred to you that it is reversible? Slavery is freedom. Alone -- free -- the human being is always defeated. It must be so, because every human being is doomed to die, which is the greatest of all failures. But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal."

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