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Trump's gaslighting of America

#11
Magical Realist Offline
(Jul 20, 2018 04:17 AM)Syne Wrote: I guess you missed the part about it being an intentional scheme. And an attempt to gaslight someone is not gaslighting them, just like an attempt to kill someone isn't murder.

But again, you can keep giving Trump all the undeserved credit you like. I think you're just gaslighting yourself. It's called paranoia.

Yes it is. Gaslighting is gaslighting whether it works or not. It is what the scumbag is doing, whether it is intentional or not. EOS..
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#12
Syne Offline
You cannot accidentally gaslight someone. Nor is attempted murder murder. And you're little "nuh-uh" responses prove you have not rational argument. Just your lizard brain howling at the moon.
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#13
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(Jul 20, 2018 04:29 AM)Syne Wrote: You cannot accidentally gaslight someone. Nor is attempted murder murder. And you're little "nuh-uh" responses prove you have not rational argument. Just your lizard brain howling at the moon.

Yes you can. You can gaslight just in how you justify your own mistakes. All that is required is pressuring someone to doubt their own perception or memory about something you said or did. I'm sure you do it all the time. Your boy Trump sure does.
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#14
Syne Offline
There's a reason we call one gaslighting and the other justifying. You're just conflating whatever you have to to justify your own paranoid belief.

Not my boy...you're the one here giving Trump all this undeserved credit.
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(Jul 20, 2018 05:21 AM)Syne Wrote: There's a reason we call one gaslighting and the other justifying. You're just conflating whatever you have to to justify your own paranoid belief.

Not my boy...you're the one here giving Trump all this undeserved credit.

Gaslighting IS often the attempt to justify your mistakes by pressuring someone to doubt their perception or memory of what you said or did. It's all one thing. Gaslighting..
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#16
Syne Offline
You're making up your own definition...by conflating the act of gaslighting with one possible motive for gaslighting. They are not the same, otherwise that would be the only possible motive for doing it. People justify their mistakes without trying to pressure others all the time, and people try to pressure others without justifying any mistake at all. See how that works? Just a little Socratic method goes a long way.
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(Jul 20, 2018 06:31 AM)Syne Wrote: You're making up your own definition...by conflating the act of gaslighting with one possible motive for gaslighting. They are not the same, otherwise that would be the only possible motive for doing it. People justify their mistakes without trying to pressure others all the time, and people try to pressure others without justifying any mistake at all. See how that works? Just a little Socratic method goes a long way.

That's why I said gaslighting is often the attempt to justify mistakes. That's not conflation at all. That's an example of gaslighting. Take a reading course sometime.
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Syne Offline
(Jul 20, 2018 06:42 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Jul 20, 2018 06:31 AM)Syne Wrote: You're making up your own definition...by conflating the act of gaslighting with one possible motive for gaslighting. They are not the same, otherwise that would be the only possible motive for doing it. People justify their mistakes without trying to pressure others all the time, and people try to pressure others without justifying any mistake at all. See how that works? Just a little Socratic method goes a long way.

That's why I said gaslighting is often the attempt to justify mistakes. That's not conflation at all. That's an example of gaslighting. Take a reading course sometime.

Did you already forget what else you said?
(Jul 20, 2018 05:25 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Gaslighting IS often the attempt to justify your mistakes by pressuring someone to doubt their perception or memory of what you said or did. It's all one thing. Gaslighting..

It's no more "all one thing" than attempted murder is murder. And your desperation to cling to any little bit that you think might survive the Socratic method is cute. Action is not the intent of the action, because intentions have no one for one relationship to actions.
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(Jul 20, 2018 07:33 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Jul 20, 2018 06:42 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Jul 20, 2018 06:31 AM)Syne Wrote: You're making up your own definition...by conflating the act of gaslighting with one possible motive for gaslighting. They are not the same, otherwise that would be the only possible motive for doing it. People justify their mistakes without trying to pressure others all the time, and people try to pressure others without justifying any mistake at all. See how that works? Just a little Socratic method goes a long way.

That's why I said gaslighting is often the attempt to justify mistakes. That's not conflation at all. That's an example of gaslighting. Take a reading course sometime.

Did you already forget what else you said?
(Jul 20, 2018 05:25 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Gaslighting IS often the attempt to justify your mistakes by pressuring someone to doubt their perception or memory of what you said or did. It's all one thing. Gaslighting..

It's no more "all one thing" than attempted murder is murder. And your desperation to cling to any little bit that you think might survive the Socratic method is cute. Action is not the intent of the action, because intentions have no one for one relationship to actions.

You can't even read plain english. So..I think we're done here. Once again you've turned a perfectly good thread into yet another petty bitching session. Everything you touch turns to shit. Stay away from me.
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#20
Syne Offline
As usual, when your weak attempts to formulate anything approaching a cogent or rational argument fail, you beg off. Notice how instead of refuting any given point you just reassert your old point with little to make it any more compelling. That's how true believers operate.
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