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Survivorman Bigfoot

#1
Magical Realist Online
Good in depth interview with Les Stroud on his new mission to explore the Bigfoot phenomenon and Dave Paulides' Missing 411 phenomenon.

http://bigfootbase.com/survivorman-bigfo...les-stroud

"Is there any piece of evidence that the public hasn’t seen that has influenced you? Is there a video or maybe some audio that isn’t available that you have come across– maybe something from Todd outside of the Survivorman Bigfoot production– that kind of keeps you going on this topic? That kind of keeps the bait fresh, so-to-speak?

LS: Ya, it would be the real-life stories from close friends who tell me of an experience, who want no notoriety, and they’re just sharing their story. I had a guy here this morning actually– it’s those. Because nobody has anything to gain or lose at that point. And they’re not being interviewed for a TV show. They’re not in to the subject matter. And they come along and they, out of the blue, they share with you, “Well as a matter of fact, ya know, I was comin’ home from school one time and la da da…” It’s those things. Because again, these are people who are friends with me regardless of anything. They’re not like new acquaintances who are hanging out with me because I’m Survivorman. These are friends. And so, when they tell me these stories, y’know, it leads me something that I’ve been kind of harping on lately.

It’s a great question that leads to that, because I love this little thought of mine here. And that is that when you have somebody say to you, “I saw a Bigfoot”. Let’s establish that this is somebody that you trust. Someone that you respect. We’re going to go right there. You trust them. You respect them. And they say to you, “Last weekend from 15 feet away I saw a Bigfoot. Now you only have four places you can go with that. Number one is they’re delusional… suffering from a delusion. Number two is mistaken identity. It was a bear. But again, this is someone who’s very experienced in the bush, knows animals, and they’re saying they were 15 feet away from a Bigfoot. Number three is they’re lying. And number four, the final one, is they’re giving you an accurate representation of what they saw.

So that’s a neat little compartmentalized way to react to somebody telling you I saw a Bigfoot. If you see it on YouTube, or you hear it on the radio or whatever. Ok but let me dig just a little bit deeper for a second, a friend of mine said that to me– a young guy that I know– he said oh yea this woman that I know she’s seen them twice and– here’s the catch — after he told me that he really adored this woman, she’s a really nice lady, she told me she saw them twice, he closes it off with– and this is probably going to be familiar to you– he closes it off with “ehh y’know eh I don’t know if they exist.” And when he does that I stop him immediately and go:

“Hang on, hang on a second here. You’re not sure they exist?”

“Yeaaaa, I don’t know, y’now?”

“Ok, so then your friend… well, she’s a liar.”

“Whoa, whoa no, she’s my friend.”

“Oh no. She’s a liar, isn’t she? If you’re saying after the fact that you trust her, and she’s telling you from 15 feet away with her experienced woods eyes that she saw a Bigfoot, and you’re saying you still don’t know if they exist, is you’re saying that she’s a liar. I want you to tell me.” And I’ll do this, I will literally say, “I want you to say Nancy is a liar. You can’t say it? Then what are you saying?” You see where I’m going with this? Too often it’s easy for people to hear something, say it comes from their uncle who they love, who’s like a conservation officer, who’s like really intelligent and he says, “I’m telling you, I stood there and I watched it for a half an hour…” You will still go, “Ehhh I don’t knowwww. I don’t know if they exist.” I’m like, well ok go call up your uncle right now and I want you to tell him that he’s a liar. Because after that we’re left with either they’re delusional, we’ve already ruled out that they’ve made a mistake because of their experienced eyes, so you’re left with– and the delusional thing as far as I’m concerned is a cop-out. That’s not fair. You’re saying everybody’s delusional. Or it’s a mass conspiracy theory to hoax. That’s not fair. You’re left with only two things: they’re lying or they’re telling the truth. And if they’re telling you the truth, guess what that means: Bigfoot is there. You see what I’m saying?

It’s a cultural denial, yea?

LS: Ya, and I think my response that I gave you is the way to bring people down and say we’re sitting here, and one of these things is your good friend: delusional, mistaken, liar, or telling the truth, you tell me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2gK8tZHzw
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#2
Syne Offline
Of course there's always the fifth option. It was BOTH mistake identity AND an accurate representation of what they saw. Eye witnesses are notoriously inaccurate.
Even from just 15 feet away, especially in dim light or surprised, it could easily be this:

[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]
[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]



No intentional hoax conspiracy either.
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#3
Magical Realist Online
(Dec 23, 2017 08:12 PM)Syne Wrote: Of course there's always the fifth option. It was BOTH mistake identity AND an accurate representation of what they saw. Eye witnesses are notoriously inaccurate.
Even from just 15 feet away, especially in dim light or surprised, it could easily be this:

[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]
[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]



No intentional hoax conspiracy either.

Walking around and making grunts and growls and smelling like rotten eggs? Uh no..
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Syne Offline
(Dec 23, 2017 08:23 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Dec 23, 2017 08:12 PM)Syne Wrote: Of course there's always the fifth option. It was BOTH mistake identity AND an accurate representation of what they saw. Eye witnesses are notoriously inaccurate.
Even from just 15 feet away, especially in dim light or surprised, it could easily be this:

[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]
[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]



No intentional hoax conspiracy either.

Walking around and making grunts and growls and smelling like rotten eggs? Uh no..

Stroud doesn't mention any of that, neither of his own nor friends' accounts. Only the sound of an ape, and admitting he doesn't know what it was.
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#5
Magical Realist Online
(Dec 23, 2017 11:05 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Dec 23, 2017 08:23 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Dec 23, 2017 08:12 PM)Syne Wrote: Of course there's always the fifth option. It was BOTH mistake identity AND an accurate representation of what they saw. Eye witnesses are notoriously inaccurate.
Even from just 15 feet away, especially in dim light or surprised, it could easily be this:

[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]
[Image: c4fccf8e69f1a2d8fdf06595b0afa4e7--surviv...l-gear.jpg]



No intentional hoax conspiracy either.

Walking around and making grunts and growls and smelling like rotten eggs? Uh no..

Stroud doesn't mention any of that, neither of his own nor friends' accounts. Only the sound of an ape, and admitting he doesn't know what it was.

There are so many eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot standing 15-50 ft away plain as day making growling noises and smelling foul that it would take forever to start posting them. I suggest you research it yourself and remedy your own ignorance. You can start here.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories.htm
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Syne Offline
(Dec 23, 2017 11:13 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Dec 23, 2017 11:05 PM)Syne Wrote: Stroud doesn't mention any of that, neither of his own nor friends' accounts. Only the sound of an ape, and admitting he doesn't know what it was.

There are so many eyewitness accounts of Bigfoot standing 15-50 away plain as day making growling noises and smelling foul that it would take forever to start posting them. I suggest you research it yourself and remedy your own ignorance. You can start here.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories.htm

So Stroud's article was only an excuse to proselytize about bigfoot in general?

What, hunters or apes can't make growling noises or smell foul? Ever heard of buck urine or doe estrus sprays? Or do you think those smell like flowers?  Rolleyes

Again, eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable...and most people now carry around HD video cameras (smart phones).


https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ZQmsRLaUiTE
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#7
Magical Realist Online
Quote:So Stroud's article was only an excuse to proselytize about bigfoot in general?

What? We're only supposed to discuss Stroud's sighting and nobody elses? Since when?

Quote:What, hunters or apes can't make growling noises or smell foul? Ever heard of buck urine or doe estrus sprays? Or do you think those smell like flowers?

Right...7-8 ft tall "hunters" in furry suits thrashing around in remote wooded areas at night growling and smelling fowl. If you believe that I have some beachfront property in Kansas...

Quote:Again, eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable

On the contrary, eyewitness accounts are emminently reliable and get us thru every moment of our day. Everything I see during the day, and every car I see while driving and every red light I see and every person I see, is a reliable fact of the world. If you don't believe your eyes, then that's your problem. But the reliability of my own sight and that of others is beyond question.
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Syne Offline
(Dec 24, 2017 12:40 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:So Stroud's article was only an excuse to proselytize about bigfoot in general?

What? We're only supposed to discuss Stroud's sighting and nobody elses? Since when?

LOL! Since that's the supposed point of a thread titled "Survivorman Bigfoot" and only mentioning that in the OP. Rolleyes

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Quote:What, hunters or apes can't make growling noises or smell foul? Ever heard of buck urine or doe estrus sprays? Or do you think those smell like flowers?

Right...7-8 ft tall "hunters" in furry suits thrashing around in the woods at night growling and smelling fowl. If you believe that I have some beachfront property in Kansas...


Do you know that convenience stores often put heights strips next to their door because eyewitnesses are not reliable?

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Quote:Again, eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable

On the contrary, eyewitness accounts are emminently reliable and get us thru every moment of our day. Everything I see during the day, and every car I see while driving and every red light I see and every person I see, is a reliable fact of the world. If you don't believe your eyes, then that's your problem. The reliability of my own sight and that of others is beyond question.

And can you accurately tell us the height of a barista you only met once? What about her eye color or name?

Just because your witnessing of something is reliable enough for your contemporaneous needs, doesn't mean that your later account of those will be accurate and unalloyed by mental contextualization and vagary. Or do you think everyone has an eidetic memory? Rolleyes
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#9
Magical Realist Online
Quote:LOL! Since that's the supposed point of a thread titled "Survivorman Bigfoot" and only mentioning that in the OP.

No bitch. I can discuss anything I want about bigfoot in a thread about bigfoot. It's entirely on topic.

Quote:And can you accurately tell us the height of a barista you only met once? What about her eye color or name?

Just because your witnessing of something is reliable enough for your contemporaneous needs, doesn't mean that your later account of those will be accurate and unalloyed by mental contextualization and vagary. Or do you think everyone has an eidetic memory?

Yeah...I can easily remember details about the people I talked to today and cars I saw and the items of the store I shopped in. Memory is reliable too. And if I ever saw and smelt and heard an 8 ft Bigfoot in the woods, you bet your ass I'd remember it. It would be hard to forget it.
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Syne Offline
(Dec 24, 2017 01:12 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:LOL! Since that's the supposed point of a thread titled "Survivorman Bigfoot" and only mentioning that in the OP.

No bitch. I can discuss anything I want about bigfoot in a thread about bigfoot. It's entirely on topic.

Unprovoked name-calling again. Rolleyes
Seek anger management, sweetie.

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Quote:And can you accurately tell us the height of a barista you only met once? What about her eye color or name?

Just because your witnessing of something is reliable enough for your contemporaneous needs, doesn't mean that your later account of those will be accurate and unalloyed by mental contextualization and vagary. Or do you think everyone has an eidetic memory?

Yeah...I can easily remember details about the people I talked to today and cars I saw and the items of the store I shopped in. Memory is reliable too. And if I ever saw and smelt and heard an 8 ft Bigfoot in the woods, you bet your ass I'd remember it. It would be hard to forget it.

Sure, buddy. Whatever you say. Rolleyes
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