The logic of brains and the logic of the external world are one

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This is indisputable due to feedback mechanisms between both sides.
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(Dec 14, 2017 04:47 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: The logic of brains and the logic of the external world are one

This is indisputable...

I think that there are a variety of logics that seem to apply to knowers and doers, and don't seem to be directly applicable to the world as conceived by physics - epistemic logics, deontic logics, relevance logics, logics of belief revision, and informal logic in general might arguably be examples.

One might try to argue that these sorts of logic are reducible to the kind of logic that the physical world seemingly obeys, but that's a philosophical thesis that needs further argument.
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(Dec 14, 2017 04:47 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: This is indisputable due to feedback mechanisms between both sides.

Quote:between both sides
Breaking things down to a mathamatical principal sometimes helps define relationships of highly complex things allowing you to start looking at fundermental differences or similaraties.

so you define this as being 2 things... ?

each being a side... ?

thus formulative perceptive quantatative qwasi "whole" ?


qualitative, is perception logic ?
is logic perception a wholelistic entity of perception unto its self ?


can logic exist outside the 2 possible models you propose ?
can perception exist outside the 2 possible models you propose ?

is perception wholey dependant on logic ? (visa versa)
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When I look at a tree I see it as I perceive it, it's how my brain translates the incoming information. Now if you're looking at the same tree and if I was permitted to see it as you see it for example , then it very well may be what I perceive as a pink balloon. However, no matter what, we will agree that we both see a tree. This does not mean different realities. It's the same reality no matter how brains perceive it. IOW reality could be imperceptible. Don't know if anyone's ever had that thought but it is just as reasonable as any other description. I would be more inclined to accept we all see the same thing differently.

Evolution may also have shifted gears reaching the point of perception. As long as we agree on what's observed then there's no sense wasting anymore energy/resources adapting to get it perfect. IOW the true reality, may remain imperceptible for as long as we don't truly need to evolve it..... The way nature intended.
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(Dec 14, 2017 06:23 PM)Yazata Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2017 04:47 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: The logic of brains and the logic of the external world are one

This is indisputable...

I think that there are a variety of logics that seem to apply to knowers and doers, and don't seem to be directly applicable to the world as conceived by physics - epistemic logics, deontic logics, relevance logics, logics of belief revision, and informal logic in general might arguably be examples.

One might try to argue that these sorts of logic are reducible to the kind of logic that the physical world seemingly obeys, but that's a philosophical thesis that needs further argument.

The inverse is true for reality. In the Quantum world reality is experienced differently as I understand it. Everything appears of major importance and thoughts are read and deciphered by reality.  In other words, God communicates in various ways and means, such as through the tv or by words in paintings and pictures instructing you on how to be a certain way in a place you've visited for the first time. Or by the behaviors of other human beings appearing to come from a single source.
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(Dec 18, 2017 07:52 PM)Ostronomos Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2017 06:23 PM)Yazata Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2017 04:47 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: The logic of brains and the logic of the external world are one

This is indisputable...

I think that there are a variety of logics that seem to apply to knowers and doers, and don't seem to be directly applicable to the world as conceived by physics - epistemic logics, deontic logics, relevance logics, logics of belief revision, and informal logic in general might arguably be examples.

One might try to argue that these sorts of logic are reducible to the kind of logic that the physical world seemingly obeys, but that's a philosophical thesis that needs further argument.

The inverse is true for reality. In the Quantum world reality is experienced differently as I understand it. Everything appears of major importance and thoughts are read and deciphered by reality.  In other words, God communicates in various ways and means, such as through the tv or by words in paintings and pictures instructing you on how to be a certain way in a place you've visited for the first time. Or by the behaviors of other human beings appearing to come from a single source.

obviousely science is ever evolving...
i think where there might be some confusion here is that science is developing an understanding of the odd science of the quantum world.
as theorists look at ways of understanding this they apply concepts like schodengers to it which they have found to be actually true in a specific form.
hwoever broadening that to encompas thought is probably a bit more of a theological process or more soo philisophical anthropology of quantum reality.

note it is more a kin to quantum reality theory.
thus when you discribe it you may wish to note the frame work of the scientific field for people to get a better handle on what you actually mean.

attaching or crossing theology into this to suggest concepts of godliness in the actuation of concurrent reality and thought is probably theological quantum philosophical theory.

or just theology.

interlacing the religous tenet of "life must have a purpose"
thus
scientific discoveries of reality aspects like the creation of matter and quantum physics is probably more theology than physics.

thoughts are philosophy
theology is godliness
you might attune to be a philisophical theologan per say...
i am more into physics than theology(i have no particular interest in theology on the most part)

philisophical causation theory in theological aspect .... ?
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In a constantly evolving organism such as us there is no way to tell where sensing/interpreting will go. One guy thinks this, another one that, and it's all perfectly normal. One mutant calling the other a mutant, neither one knowing where evolution will take the species. Nice to philosophize & logic the sensory data but IMHO it''s just the brain evolving. Knowledge of the universe has improved, we'll need to adjust to it accordingly, mind & body.
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