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David Eagleman: The mystery of Stephen Paddock's brain

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Leigha Offline
I'll reply to the rest tomorrow, but moderates by definition, only agree on similar issues with repubs when it comes to business, money matters, economics, etc. I'd say I lean towards a central view between socialism and capitalism. But, in most other matters such as same sex marriage, healthcare, etc...that's usually where moderates and repubs separate their views.

I need to stop calling myself a moderate. lol I like ''classical liberal'' better, because that really encompasses my core values.

Off topic, but are you religious at all, Syne? You hint towards defending Christianity, so just wondering.
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#22
Syne Offline
I didn't say Republicans...I said conservative. Those two are not synonymous.
While not a Christian, I freely admit to being a Christian apologist (not a dirty word). I'm syncretic in my beliefs.

Classical liberalism is actually distinguished from social liberalism, and classical liberalism is more often associated with conservatism or libertarianism.

"The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism. The phrase "classical liberalism" is also sometimes used to refer to all forms of liberalism before the 20th century and some conservatives and libertarians (especially in the United States) use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of individual freedom and minimal government." - wiki

On the other hand, while social liberalism does advocate a market economy as well, it also advocates for social issues like same-sex marriage, public healthcare, etc..

"Like classical liberalism, social liberalism endorses a market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights and liberties, but differs in that it believes the legitimate role of the government includes addressing economic and social issues such as poverty, health care and education." - wiki

So you're just a typical social liberal. Americans just like to play word games and pretend that a socially liberal and fiscally conservative person is any different from a social liberal. No one calls themselves a fiscal liberal, because the actual meaning of those words is equivalent to the idea expressed by "fiscally conservative". It's redundant.

So you're not a social democrat or economic progressive (who advocate government planned or heavily intervening economies), but you're also not a classical liberal (since that term expressly limits the power of the government...which you advocate using to promote things like public healthcare). So while a social democrat is further left than you (a social liberal), you are by no means a moderate. You can only use the term as a buzzword for "not extreme".

"In recent years, the term political moderates has gained traction as a buzzword. The existence of the ideal moderate is disputed because of a lack of a moderate political ideology. Voters who describe themselves as centrist often mean that they are moderate in their political views, advocating neither extreme left-wing politics nor right-wing politics." - wiki


But, seeing as healthcare is almost 18% of our total economy, even advocating for public healthcare alone diminishes the claim of fiscal conservatism. Social progressivism just tends to become economically progressive as well. How else do you secure the funding for such social programs?
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#23
Leigha Offline
I think if we're honest, no one really fits into a neat little category when it comes to political views. So, I ain't sweatin' it. lol
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Syne Offline
Hey, so long as you don't claim some neat little category as if it's somehow better than another or doesn't even represent the reality of your views...other than your bias.
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Leigha Offline
We all do that from time to time, if we're being honest. I don't think anyone can escape offering up their own bias now and again. Blush
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Syne Offline
Some people more than others.
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Syne Offline
Did you ever look up synonyms for "moderate"?
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Leigha Offline
(Oct 17, 2017 03:26 AM)Syne Wrote: Did you ever look up synonyms for "moderate"?

lol I did.   Big Grin

I responded about that (I thought?), the terms moderate and conservative only are similarly defined when we're talking along the lines of economics, business, money matters, etc. On a social matters spectrum, that's where the similarities stop. 

But, again, there's always overlap. Do you know anyone who is a staunch conservative? Or leaning mainly in the liberal camp?
I don't know anyone personally, who doesn't lean in agreement with more than one party.
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Syne Offline
(Oct 17, 2017 03:51 AM)Leigha Wrote: I responded about that (I thought?), the terms moderate and conservative only are similarly defined when we're talking along the lines of economics, business, money matters, etc. On a social matters spectrum, that's where the similarities stop. 

LOL! No, you said they weren't synonyms.

Did you even read my post? I covered all that quite thoroughly. Social liberalism is not moderate...it's just not as far left as economic progressivism. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative is a social liberal...because that's the definition.

Quote:But, again, there's always overlap. Do you know anyone who is a staunch conservative? Or leaning mainly in the liberal camp?
I don't know anyone personally, who doesn't lean in agreement with more than one party.

Some small overlap does not a moderate make. Moderation/temperance are characteristics you have not displayed here. Just because you use the buzzword "moderate" to mean "not extreme" doesn't make it any closer to center. That's just your expression of not being as far left as others. You would be more accurate to call yourself left-leaning.

But that would likely take examining your own beliefs with some moderation.
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