On Meaning

[Zinjanthropos]

In Islam it is said that God makes himself accessible or reachable to the perfect human. I have temporarily reached perfection and have accessed God a great many times so I have confirmed his existence.

Too funny!  Sounds like Syne's transcendent experience.  

Put a good word in for me, will ya, Ostonomos?

Agree. Why can't the perfect human be permanent? Temporary sounds imperfect to me. 

[RainbowUnicorn]

Perfection is only necessary to see God or to summon Him. It's a special mix of energies and brain chemistry that is non-accidental and impossible to achieve by almost all of humanity. To know God requires spirituality.

To know God requires spirituality.

so spirituality does not require god ?

Perfection is only necessary to see God or to summon Him.

Perfection

... is there such a thing as a perfect human being that has no comprehension of god ?
thus... is perfection possible without god ?

[Zinjanthropos]

... is there such a thing as a perfect human being that has no comprehension of god ?

I wish I'd thought of that. Nice touch, and falls in line with what I said earlier that no human being finds out about God without the aid of another human who is most likely imperfect by Ostro's standards.

I don't think the perfect human being drifts in and out of perfection. You either are perfect (no imperfections-deliberate or otherwise) or you're not. Be interesting to see how Ostro tiptoes around this but I'm sure new answers will come forward. Just MHO but a perfect human should in no way ever be imperfect at any time. Even to intentionally go from perfection to imperfection means one will at least be temporarily imperfect. Ostro needs to redefine perfection to suit his (or God's?) needs and this is IMHO, a tactic not so rare in the world of theistic religion.

[Ostronomos]

... is there such a thing as a perfect human being that has no comprehension of god ?

I wish I'd thought of that. Nice touch, and falls in line with what I said earlier that no human being finds out about God without the aid of another human who is most likely imperfect by Ostro's standards.

I don't think the perfect human being drifts in and out of perfection. You either are perfect (no imperfections-deliberate or otherwise) or you're not. Be interesting to see how Ostro tiptoes around this but I'm sure new answers will come forward. Just MHO but a perfect human should in no way ever be imperfect at any time. Even to intentionally go from perfection to imperfection means one will at least be temporarily imperfect. Ostro needs to redefine perfection to suit his (or God's?) needs and this is IMHO, a tactic not so rare in the world of theistic religion.

Perfection can be temporary and this truth is easy to see in the absence of dishonesty and a hidden agenda. You can experience and perform at a certain level at one moment (say if you unlock your potential) and lose it the next. There's no tiptoeing around anything as that would imply that I'm the dishonest one.

[Zinjanthropos]

Perfection can be temporary and this truth is easy to see in the absence of dishonesty and a hidden agenda. You can experience and perform at a certain level at one moment (say if you unlock your potential) and lose it the next. There's no tiptoeing around anything as that would imply that I'm the dishonest one.

I'm perfectly imperfect, as are many. It's also permanent. Please define human perfection. Is it a fraudulent or deceitful act to claim temporary perfection? Who said one must go from imperfect to perfect to prove God?

I don't understand .... if you are not tiptoeing around anything that would suggest imperfection then why are you perfect for only temporary moments? What do you do that makes you imperfect?

[Ostronomos]

Perfection can be temporary and this truth is easy to see in the absence of dishonesty and a hidden agenda. You can experience and perform at a certain level at one moment (say if you unlock your potential) and lose it the next. There's no tiptoeing around anything as that would imply that I'm the dishonest one.

I'm perfectly imperfect, as are many. It's also permanent. Please define human perfection. Is it a fraudulent or deceitful act to claim temporary perfection? Who said one must go from imperfect to perfect to prove God?

I don't understand .... if you are not tiptoeing around anything that would suggest imperfection then why are you perfect for only temporary moments? What do you do that makes you imperfect?

I can tell you but I choose not to as it will only receive ridicule. As has been shown you are not a big one for believing in miracles.

[Zinjanthropos]

I can tell you but I choose not to as it will only receive ridicule. As has been shown you are not a big one for believing in miracles.

I don't call questioning ridicule. Don't be dishonest with yourself, now is the time to reveal your state of perfection to the world. Why is it a miracle when all one needs to be is perfect? If you can do it then why not others? So hush hush and eerily covert.

I asked the following questions in my last post but it was a late edition. Maybe you didn't see them...... 

Is it a fraudulent or deceitful act to claim temporary perfection if you are inherently imperfect?...also.... Who said one must go from imperfect to perfect to prove/communicate with God? 

You still need to define perfection or else your entire argument falls apart.

[Ostronomos]

I can tell you but I choose not to as it will only receive ridicule. As has been shown you are not a big one for believing in miracles.

I don't call questioning ridicule. Don't be dishonest with yourself, now is the time to reveal your state of perfection to the world. Why is it a miracle when all one needs to be is perfect? If you can do it then why not others? So hush hush and eerily covert.

I asked the following questions in my last post but it was a late edition. Maybe you didn't see them...... 

Is it a fraudulent or deceitful act to claim temporary perfection if you are inherently imperfect?...also.... Who said one must go from imperfect to perfect to prove/communicate with God? 

You still need to define perfection or else your entire argument falls apart.

Trust me, you cannot do it or you would have. Perfection is absolute unity and is therefore matchless.

[Zinjanthropos]

you cannot do it or you would have. 

Prove it.  Prove something you cannot know for certain. I think by avoiding the questions or simply being evasive is an indication that you don't have any answers.

[Ostronomos]

you cannot do it or you would have. 

Prove it.  Prove something you cannot know for certain. I think by avoiding the questions or simply being evasive is an indication that you don't have any answers.

Think what you will.