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A theory of everything that explains away the paradoxes of quantum mechanics

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https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sci...-mechanics

EXCERPTS: One of the great triumphs of modern science is the theory of quantum mechanics, one of the most successful ideas in history. Every experiment ever done is compatible with its predictions and despite numerous attempts, physicists have never been able to create conditions in which it doesn’t work.

But quantum theory’s success forces physicists to accept a number of uncomfortable truths. For example, it allows “spooky action at a distance” between entangled particles. [...] This thinking forces physicists to the conclusion that our deterministic experience of the universe is an illusion. Indeed, there is little debate among physicists that the foundation of reality is fundamentally and weirdly probabilistic.

Except among a small group of theoretical physicists led by the Nobel Prize winner, Gerard ‘t Hooft. For them, the idea of determinism – that one thing leads to another – is sacrosanct. They say the probabilistic properties of quantum mechanics can all be explained by a set of hidden laws that sit beneath the surface of quantum mechanics.

[...] First some background. The current theory of quantum mechanics that attempts to explain the nature of the universe is called the Standard Model of particle physics. And it has been hugely successful. ... But in all this success, physicists have conveniently overlooked some of the Standard Model’s shortcomings...

[...] Enter ‘t Hooft. His solution is to propose that beneath the surface, nature is fundamentally deterministic. This “superdeterminism” has profound implications. “Assuming an underlying model to be completely deterministic removes most of the ‘quantum paradoxes’ that were thought to be special to quantum mechanics alone,” he says.

For example, the ability of one entangled particle to influence another instantly must be an illusion. Superdeterminism suggests that the outcome is predetermined by another, deeper set of laws that are deterministic. But because we aren’t aware of these laws, the influence appears instantaneous.

Of course, this is a controversial idea. Physicists have long considered the possibility that quantum mechanics is incomplete, that it is missing a set of hidden variables that determine the outcome in experiments like this. ... Most physicists interpret [...certain...] experiments as proof that quantum mechanics cannot be governed by hidden variables and at first glance, this spells disaster for ‘t Hooft’s approach.

But he says there is a way through this quagmire. By his thinking, superdeterminism is so fundamental that it influences not just the particles that are being measured but the entire experimental set up, including the observers themselves...

[...] ‘t Hooft’s ideas are controversial but they promise much that the Standard Model cannot deliver... [...] ‘t Hooft’s ideas operate on an even smaller scale – the Planck length. This is so small that no current experiments can access it, which is why evidence is hard to get. But he believes that it is still possible to formulate a successful theory using a similar approach.

By his own admission, ‘t Hooft is far from this point but he has begun to map out some of the features that his new theory must have. He says the universe on this level must work like a cellular automaton [...] If any of this seems familiar, it is because ‘t Hooft is not the first to suggest that a cellular automaton can explain all the phenomenon in the universe... (MORE - missing details)
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Sacrosanct means ideological. Not really compatible with doing actual science. "Hidden laws" that can't be demonstrated are no better or more scientific than stories about Big Foot. And postulating Big Foot to solve solely ideological problems with the Standard Model is non-science. Otherwise, they should be able to demonstrate a clearly superior prediction from their approach. Science doesn't just presume that actual empirical tests results "must be an illusion" without some objective benefit to doing so. Objective, not just satisfying one's ideological/philosophical bent.

't Hooft's idea is not falsifiable nor parsimonious. By his own admission, this is hardly even a hypothesis.
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(Feb 16, 2022 02:59 AM)Syne Wrote: Sacrosanct means ideological. Not really compatible with doing actual science. "Hidden laws" that can't be demonstrated are no better or more scientific than stories about Big Foot. And postulating Big Foot to solve solely ideological problems with the Standard Model is non-science. Otherwise, they should be able to demonstrate a clearly superior prediction from their approach. Science doesn't just presume that actual empirical tests results "must be an illusion" without some objective benefit to doing so. Objective, not just satisfying one's ideological/philosophical bent.

't Hooft's idea is not falsifiable nor parsimonious. By his own admission, this is hardly even a hypothesis.

It's far more than just a question of parsimony....
't Hooft, employing sophisticated advanced math far beyond my pay grade to follow, has for many years labored hard at developing the framework for a superdeterministic theory.
Yet has apparently never stopped to think through a fundamental dilemma it creates. A fatal one imo.
Like the great majority of physicists & cosmologists, he afaik happily subscribes to the standard cosmological FLRW + LCDM + inflation model. With it's inevitable requirement of a point-like beginning at t = 0, some 13.8 bya. And for sure, his superdeterminism must also embrace unitary evolution aka total information content is time invariant.
Well the total information content of just the observable universe is enormous. A recent trendy calculation:
https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-...e-universe
Way too small an estimate according to Lubos Motl, whose calculation I respect more (first of 3 formal answers here):
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questi...erse-store
And that larger estimate still only concerns the observable universe. Which at most is a tiny fraction of the total, even then assuming it is finite in overall size.

Even the huge underestimate given in first link above creates a massive headache for unitarity. Namely, how can such a huge amount of info be invariant with age/size of universe, given the point-like beginning that many suggest was much smaller than a single Planck volume! And how much info can be packed into a single Planck volume? See the first answer given here:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questi...ta-density

Around a single bit! I have never seen this obvious huge problem for unitarity + point-sized beginning ever tackled let alone satisfactorily resolved.
't Hooft & many others sorely need some drastic rethinking imo.
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Syne Offline
I'd assume that 't Hooft just avoids it by assuming an eternal universe. Another unjustified assumption.
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Kornee Offline
(Feb 17, 2022 12:35 AM)Syne Wrote: I'd assume that 't Hooft just avoids it by assuming an eternal universe. Another unjustified assumption.

I emailed him, quoting my above post. A short but polite reply amounted to asserting that (type 4?) Cellular Automata can easily generate a 'universe' from a 'point' beginning. No problem at all!
There was no subsequent reply when I return emailed for clarification/admission that superdeterminism + point beginning a la standard cosmology, obviously violently shreds sacrosanct unitary evolution of universe. Plus to make coherent sense does it not require instantaneous updating over all of space? Otherwise a novel development 'here' cannot be coherent with what's going on 'over there' and still satisfy the locality assumption in superdeterminism.
Not sure if I had annoyed him with a dumb question(s), or whether he just sweeps the issue under the carpet. Permanently on the back-burner as a fly-in-the-ointment vexation with no obvious solution.
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Syne Offline
Superdeterminism doesn't require updating, as it just assumes all is kept in sync by being superdetermined. IOW, once the first domino topples, all else is essentially predetermined. So there can be nothing truly novel. Class 4 cellular automata do include the possible spread of local changes, but those changes would be presumed to be ultimately caused by the initial state, rather than anything new or other than determined...like a quantum stochastic process.

Cellular automata being qualitative and open to interpretation, again, just takes his speculation outside of the bounds of actual science.
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(Feb 17, 2022 05:26 AM)Syne Wrote: Superdeterminism doesn't require updating, as it just assumes all is kept in sync by being superdetermined. IOW, once the first domino topples, all else is essentially predetermined. So there can be nothing truly novel. Class 4 cellular automata do include the possible spread of local changes, but those changes would be presumed to be ultimately caused by the initial state, rather than anything new or other than determined...like a quantum stochastic process.

Cellular automata being qualitative and open to interpretation, again, just takes his speculation outside of the bounds of actual science.

The analogy with a complex dominoes cascade isn't particularly apt because the elaborate arrangements were already in place at t = 0. A basic issue with cellular automata/superdeterminism remains. How can very simple rules with very little information early on rigidly dictate anything resembling the emergence/creation of biological life, art, music, literature, etc. etc.

Not having spent any real time delving into cellular automata logic, it seems obvious to me it cannot amount to anything beyond generating interesting nested patterns like with fractal algorithms. The onus imo is very much on the proponents to explain real-world rich complexity without assuming ab initio some extremely complex underlying 'rules'. And where did they come from?
Chicken and egg rears its ugly head again. Sad
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