Spirituality can promote the health of breast cancer survivors

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Leigha Offline
(Sep 13, 2021 02:23 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 13, 2021 01:59 AM)Leigha Wrote: Maybe faith/spirituality is comparable to a living organism; it evolves.

(as we ween from the childhood primer of needing to be told what our relationship with god is) evolve if we're growing.

That's it, exactly.

When you dare to take a look under the hood of your beliefs, it's startling at first when you realize ...they're not your beliefs. It's unfortunate that some never experience the freedom of being able to accept their beliefs as their own. But, it's not difficult to understand why many adults stay true to the religions of their upbringing ...the guilt, shame and judgement can be heavy.
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Syne Offline
(Sep 13, 2021 02:37 AM)Leigha Wrote: That's it, exactly.

When you dare to take a look under the hood of your beliefs, it's startling at first when you realize ...they're not your beliefs. It's unfortunate that some never experience the freedom of being able to accept their beliefs as their own. But, it's not difficult to understand why many adults stay true to the religions of their upbringing ...the guilt, shame and judgement can be heavy.

I wouldn't say that everyone who sticks with their childhood religion/denomination does so out of shame, etc. or even a lack of personal growth. Many do, of course, but it's completely possible to just grow to make it your own. Kind of like a new job, where you take over someone else's old position, but over time you make it yours, with your own unique stank.
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Leigha Offline
(Sep 13, 2021 02:55 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 13, 2021 02:37 AM)Leigha Wrote: That's it, exactly.

When you dare to take a look under the hood of your beliefs, it's startling at first when you realize ...they're not your beliefs. It's unfortunate that some never experience the freedom of being able to accept their beliefs as their own. But, it's not difficult to understand why many adults stay true to the religions of their upbringing ...the guilt, shame and judgement can be heavy.

I wouldn't say that everyone who sticks with their childhood religion/denomination does so out of shame, etc. or even a lack of personal growth. Many do, of course, but it's completely possible to just grow to make it your own. Kind of like a new job, where you take over someone else's old position, but over time you make it yours, with your own unique stank.

Agree...yea, it's entirely possible for someone to prune away the problematic/legalistic areas of 'x' religion and make it align with their own values. I would say though, if I did that with Catholicism, it would no longer be Catholicism I was following, you know?
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Syne Offline
(Sep 13, 2021 03:00 AM)Leigha Wrote: Agree...yea, it's entirely possible for someone to prune away the problematic/legalistic areas of 'x' religion and make it align with their own values. I would say though, if I did that with Catholicism, it would no longer be Catholicism I was following, you know?

Well, Catholicism is fairly unique among Christian denominations, in the amount of ritual and airs it puts on. Lots of borrowed pagan stuff there to jettison. Growing up non-Catholic, seeing a mass on TV always looked a bit like a cult. Way too much "look at how pious I am."
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Leigha Offline
(Sep 13, 2021 04:23 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 13, 2021 03:00 AM)Leigha Wrote: Agree...yea, it's entirely possible for someone to prune away the problematic/legalistic areas of 'x' religion and make it align with their own values. I would say though, if I did that with Catholicism, it would no longer be Catholicism I was following, you know?

Well, Catholicism is fairly unique among Christian denominations, in the amount of ritual and airs it puts on. Lots of borrowed pagan stuff there to jettison. Growing up non-Catholic, seeing a mass on TV always looked a bit like a cult. Way too much "look at how pious I am."

Yea, that's about right - definitely felt cult-like.

I'd suggest to anyone having doubts about their religion, that if they remain in it...to know why. And if they leave it, to know why.

It can be easy to make an emotional decision and monkey branch to new belief systems, without really reflecting why you left in the first place. One can ''accidentally'' fall into another cult-like religion that way, just with different bells and whistles.
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(Sep 13, 2021 05:18 AM)Leigha Wrote: It can be easy to make an emotional decision and monkey branch to new belief systems, without really reflecting why you left in the first place. One can ''accidentally'' fall into another cult-like religion that way, just with different bells and whistles.

That’s religious faith’s two tiered system. At first no one has faith in a religion, you have faith in the person(s) who convinced you to be part of one. Once convinced then you can become faithful to whatever that religion represents, including God Almighty. People aren’t exactly the most credible creatures around but before you say you’re this or that religious affiliation you must place faith in at least one human. If I spent my whole life in a coma, would I upon my awakening even know what a religion is, let alone what it represents? Unfortunately faith in your fellow man’s trustworthiness is implicit with any religion when it comes time to choose..IMHO
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(Sep 13, 2021 07:13 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Sep 13, 2021 05:18 AM)Leigha Wrote: It can be easy to make an emotional decision and monkey branch to new belief systems, without really reflecting why you left in the first place. One can ''accidentally'' fall into another cult-like religion that way, just with different bells and whistles.

That’s religious faith’s two tiered system. At first no one has faith in a religion, you have faith in the person(s) who convinced you to be part of one. Once convinced then you can become faithful to whatever that religion represents, including God Almighty. People aren’t exactly the most credible creatures around but before you say you’re this or that religious affiliation you must place faith in at least one human. If I spent my whole life in a coma, would I upon my awakening even know what a religion is, let alone what it represents? Unfortunately faith in your fellow man’s trustworthiness is implicit with any religion when it comes time to choose..IMHO

I understand where you’re coming from.

But, even the development of our personalities doesn’t take place in isolation, but in relation to others; we are shaped, molded and evolve through our parents first, then friends and peers. Relationships can play a part, as well. I think the same can be true of people who’ve come to value a spiritual and/or religious life, and that’s not a bad thing, imo. No one comes to who they are and what they value, entirely by themselves.
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Magical Realist Online
Quote:Unfortunately faith in your fellow man’s trustworthiness is implicit with any religion when it comes time to choose..IMHO

Isn't that true for every domain of knowledge---science, history, art, mathematics, politics, etc? Seems everyone who ever wants to learn anything must sit at the feet of SOME trusted even revered guru.
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(Sep 15, 2021 07:15 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Unfortunately faith in your fellow man’s trustworthiness is implicit with any religion when it comes time to choose..IMHO

Isn't that true for every domain of knowledge---science, history, art, mathematics, etc? Seems everyone who ever wants to learn anything must sit at the feet of SOME guru.

Yep, unfortunately true. However I don’t trust every scientists and why should anyone? Theory is good when testable but never heard of a testable theory for god. I really like the part where man, much maligned by a Bible as a compulsive sinner or born as such, is the authority on religion and what’s good. It doesn’t make sense but I guess we can’t do any better than that.

You’d think that with whatever experiment science performs that eventually one would hint at the presence of a divine intelligence. They don’t but that doesn’t stop people from giving god credit, even if only partial. Technically if theistic religion is correct then all science stops with God, it’s his design. Whatever we prove or discover scientifically should have God’s stamp on it.
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