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Armed(?) elderly man shot after not wearing mask & hostile acts (Canadian community) - C C - Jul 16, 2020

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/fatal-haliburton-shooting-siu-1.5650761
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/siu-investigates-police-shooting-of-man-73

EXCERPTS: Ontario's police watchdog is investigating after officers fatally shot a 73-year-old man in Haliburton County on Wednesday morning. The man had refused to wear a mask and allegedly assaulted a grocery store employee before driving away, Ontario Provincial Police say. [...] Based on the licence plate, officers made their way to a home ... Outside the home there was an "interaction," and two police officers fired their guns, the SIU said.

[...] after shots were fired, "additional resources" were brought to the area near Eagle Lake, by the village of Haliburton, about 215 kilometres northeast of Toronto. The man was shot and taken to hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:47 a.m. ... a semi-automatic rifle and a pistol were found at the scene ... OPP Sgt. Jason Folz could not confirm if the victim had a weapon.

[...] Tianna Frances, a worker at the Valu-Mart in Minden, said ... "When I got here everyone was talking about it," Frances said. "My coworkers were a little bit shaken up, yes."

Frances was told that the man didn't want to wear a mask ... "I guess he just got angry and didn't want to. We couldn't really deal with that ourselves because it's really against the rules. So we had to call the police and everything," Frances said. ... The policy, "Use of Non-Medical Masks in Commercial Establishments," took effect on 12:01 am on Monday.

It's causing chaos, she said. "If we didn't have to force him and ... tell him that he couldn't come into the store, nothing would have happened, really. He would have got his groceries and went along with his day." (MORE - details)


RE: Armed(?) elderly man shot after not wearing mask & hostile acts (Canadian community) - Syne - Jul 16, 2020

Mandatory masks is nonsense fueled by fearmongering over the meaningless rise in cases. The deaths remain largely stable or dropping and even ICU deaths are down. That literally means that herd immunity is working, and some of the increase in cases could also be an artifact of increased testing.


RE: Armed(?) elderly man shot after not wearing mask & hostile acts (Canadian community) - Magical Realist - Jul 17, 2020

"Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions."

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/herd-immunity-and-covid-19-what-you-need-to-know/


RE: Armed(?) elderly man shot after not wearing mask & hostile acts (Canadian community) - Syne - Jul 17, 2020

"Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine argues that it is wrong to assume that herd immunity will only be achieved when 60 per cent of people have been infected. It is more likely, they argue, that the true figure lies between 10 and 20 per cent."
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-may-only-need-a-10-per-cent-infection-rate

"The spread of SARS-CoV-2 has been difficult to predict and understand. On the Diamond Princess cruise ship, for example, where the virus is likely to have spread relatively freely through the air-conditioning system linking cabins, only 20% of passengers and crew were infected. Data from military ships and cities such as Stockholm, New York and London also suggest that infections have been around 20% – much lower than earlier mathematical models suggested.

This has led to speculation about whether a population can achieve some sort of immunity to the virus with as little as 20% infected – a proportion well below the widely accepted herd immunity threshold (60-70%).

The Swedish public health authority announced in late April that the capital city, Stockholm, was “showing signs of herd immunity” – estimating that about half its population had been infected. The authority had to backtrack two weeks later, however, when the results of their own antibody study revealed just 7.3% had been infected. But the number of deaths and infections in Stockholm is falling rather than increasing – despite the fact that Sweden hasn’t enforced a lockdown.
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Studies show that people infected with SARS-CoV-2 indeed have T-cells that are programmed to fight this virus. Surprisingly, people never infected also harbour protective T-cells, probably because they have been exposed to other coronaviruses. This may lead to some level of protection against the virus – potentially explaining why some outbreaks seem to burn out well below the anticipated herd immunity threshold.
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-could-it-be-burning-out-after-20-of-a-population-is-infected-141584

Herd immunity also includes preexisting T-cell resistance/immunity developed against the whole family of coronaviruses, not just B-cell antibodies to specific strains of a virus.