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"Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - C C - Dec 3, 2018

I might prescribe consulting Amish culture as possibly the nearest thing to a puritanical advisor today for what to feature in the sterile future of romantic music, movies, and other entertainment media. But the mega-traditionalist sect has that rumspringa thing going on where teenage males can arguably do whatever they want... Kind of generating misgivings about their overall priggish credentials. The crusading, vigilante-justice faction of 4th-Wave Feminism is surely sufficient as the moral guardian for regulating Western creativity, anyhow.

"Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46413209

EXCERPT: It's a Christmas classic probably being played in shops and radio stations all over the world. But a radio station in Cleveland, Ohio has decided to remove Baby It's Cold Outside from its playlist following complaints from listeners. Local media report that listeners said the song was inappropriate and at odds with the #MeToo movement. But a poll on the station's Facebook page showed a majority of respondents did not want the song banned.

Glenn Anderson, a host at the Star 102 station, blogged that although the song was written in a different era, the lyrics felt "manipulative and wrong". "The world we live in is extra sensitive now, and people get easily offended, but in a world where #MeToo has finally given women the voice they deserve, the song has no place."

[...] The tune takes the form of a back-and-forth conversation where a man tries to persuade his female guest not to risk the journey home in bad weather, but to have another drink and spend the night with him instead. [...] With the debate raging on social media, some will likely continue to give the tune a cold reception during the Christmas season....

MORE: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46413209

RELATED: "One of the ironies of the 1984 dystopian world is that although, as in the Soviet regime of Orwell's time, religious belief is forbidden, the Party is puritanical about sex to a fanatical degree, just as some religions still are in our own world today. Winston sees sexual freedom as a force that has the potential to destroy the Party. It's partly because of this that he tells Julia that the more lovers she's had, the more attractive she is to him. Divorce is not permitted, and therefore Winston can never free himself from his much-disliked wife Katherine, although they're separated. The Party views sex only for the purpose of procreation, and this is why Katherine (and others) have referred to it as "our duty to the Party." The Party is also sexist in the sense that it's especially women who are taught to despise sex. There is a Girl-Scout-like "anti-sex League" women are encouraged to join, with its red sash Julia herself wears and throws off when she's with Winston.

During Winston's interrogation and torture O'Brien goes even further than Winston or most outside the Inner Party might have imagined, saying that "we shall abolish the orgasm," and that they have scientists working on this now. Overall, the aim is in keeping with the general intention of turning the population into unfeeling zombies. Though the Party encourages marital fidelity, it also deliberately breaks up the family unit by encouraging children to turn on their parents, as Parsons' children do, overhearing him as he utters thought-crime in his sleep, and then reporting him to the police."
--Sex, Law and Power in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four


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RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Syne - Dec 3, 2018

It's sad that so many leftists no longer even recognize the dance between the sexes. Maybe it did take more people interacting online than in real life to make this an issue.


RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Secular Sanity - Dec 3, 2018

Yep, sexual liberation, not date rape. She didn't say "no". She said, "I ought to say "No, no, no sir" and then says, "At least I'm gonna say that I tried."

Quote:If we look at the text of the song, the woman gives plenty of indication that she wants to stay the night. At the time period the song was written (1936), “good girls,” especially young, unmarried girls, did not spend the night at a man’s house unsupervised. The tension in the song comes from her own desire to stay and society’s expectations that she’ll go. We see this in the organization of the song — from stopping by for a visit, to deciding to push the line by staying longer, to wanting to spend the entire night, which is really pushing the bounds of acceptability.   Her beau in his repeated refrain “Baby, it’s cold outside” is offering her the excuses she needs to stay without guilt.

Later in the song, she asks him for a comb (to fix her hair) and mentions that there’s going to be talk tomorrow – this is a song about sex, wanting it, having it, maybe having a long night of it by the fire, but it’s not a song about rape. It’s a song about the desires even good girls have.

So what is he singing while she’s talking about what other people think of her? He’s providing her with a list of cover stories, essential, excuses she can use to explain why she hasn’t or won’t go home.

The song, which is a back and forth, closes with the two voices in harmony. This is important — they’ve come together. They’re happy. They’re in agreement. The music has a wonderfully dramatic up swell and ends on a high note both literally and figuratively. The song ends with the woman doing what she wants to do, not what she’s expected to do, and there’s something very encouraging about that message.

In Defense of “Baby, It’s Cold Outside”



RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Leigha - Dec 5, 2018

Far worse songs out there than this, that degrade women in mainstream radio. Many, sung by women themselves, sadly.


RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Zinjanthropos - Dec 5, 2018

If this song upsets Me Too then surely the Holy Bible is in their sights, at least I would hope.


RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Syne - Dec 5, 2018

So the Bible should be a higher PC police priority than, say, rap?


RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - C C - Dec 5, 2018

(Dec 5, 2018 05:34 AM)Leigha Wrote: Far worse songs out there than this, that degrade women in mainstream radio. Many, sung by women themselves, sadly.


Indeed. What with areas of hip-hop or gangsta music graphically objectifying and sex-slave portraying women without any apparent lyrical censorship at all, one has to wonder what cognitive-blinders rock some of these protesting sensibilities have been dwelling under, that they fixate on songs from a ludicrously policed era of speech, written word, and image. Even the raunchiest blues music of clubs back then had to hide for its life under a thick soup of double entendre. A naive veil was cast over popular music so that children and church ladies could always interpret whatever expression as referring only to the gamut of non-intercourse intimacy at worst (kissing, necking, affectionate fondling, etc).

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(Dec 5, 2018 02:13 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: If this song upsets Me Too then surely the Holy Bible is in their sights, at least I would hope.


May hardly matter if a double-standard of regressive left tendencies (stemming from diversity obeisance and excessive fear of bigotry signaling) either ignores or only gives polite disapproval to more backward misogynistic customs in the non-Euro Abrahamic sphere. Along with the lingering third wave thought-orientations being inclusive of women exercising their liberated individuality in porn and other exhibitionist careers -- hilariously construing that as either defiance of patriarchal traditions or the dawn of matriarchal manipulation of males via the latter's own lascivious cravings. Have to agree with Meghan Murphy about the latter. Considering that their mentality often revolves around rigid conformity to ideology or strictly universal rather than practical / contingent application of principles and interpretations... It's not so remarkable that radicals on both the extreme ends of left and right occasionally converge in terms of what they dislike -- as well as both becoming banning targets of the new social media purge.

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RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - confused2 - Dec 8, 2018

Syne Wrote:It's sad that so many leftists no longer even recognize the dance between the sexes.
Removing the political swipe - "It's sad that so many (people) no longer even recognize the dance between the sexes.". Does the matchbox wisdom "The only difference between rape and seduction is patience." no longer apply? I've been at the the rather late stage when a girl said 'No' - without being too specific it was the last possible instant - I was a bit miffed but you can't really argue with 'No' at at a time like that. FWIW we remained good (platonic) friends for years afterwards. SS might guess she would be the one to introduce me to Mrs C2. Syne encapsulates the love, loyalty, affection and more in 'the dance'. At the end of this story the alternative to relying on the male sense of ? (50-50?) would be to carry a hat pin which works every time.


RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Syne - Dec 8, 2018

(Dec 8, 2018 02:43 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:It's sad that so many leftists no longer even recognize the dance between the sexes.
Removing the political swipe - "It's sad that so many (people) no longer even recognize the dance between the sexes.". Does the matchbox wisdom "The only difference between rape and seduction is patience." no longer apply? I've been at the the rather late stage when a girl said 'No' - without being too specific it was the last possible instant - I was a bit miffed but you can't really argue with 'No' at at a time like that. FWIW we remained good (platonic) friends for years afterwards. SS might guess she would be the one to introduce me to Mrs C2. Syne encapsulates the love, loyalty, affection and more in 'the dance'. At the end of this story the alternative to relying on the male sense of ? (50-50?)  would be to carry a hat pin which works every time.

Well, it's only leftists making an issue of this song, whether genuinely or just virtue signalling. I assume everyone else still has at least a basic understanding of the dance.

In the dance, there is a difference between "no" and "NO", where the former may mean "not right now". It those cases, it can be a matter of patience, but usually requires a bit more demonstrated value as well. It can even be a "shit test" to gauge persistence and reaction...where getting too butthurt miffed can be a deal-breaker.

But women today still feel the need to balance their desires against perceived social repercussions, and it's still the job of men to allay those concerns.


RE: "Baby It's Cold Outside" pulled by radio station, citing #MeToo movement - Zinjanthropos - Dec 8, 2018

Is Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer a song about bullying and overcoming it?  Should it be removed from Xmas song list? I mean it does contain that bad element.  Rolleyes