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Evidence for the Existence of God - Ostronomos - Oct 3, 2018
Since the wavefunction of entangled particles is more fundamental than the space around them, then mind inheres in reality and is not a separate entity. God would be the universal mind or wavefunction from which space emerges. The possible Quantum states of the universe emerge into objective reality after the wavefunction collapses by measurement.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Yazata - Oct 3, 2018
(Oct 3, 2018 04:53 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Since the wavefunction of entangled particles is more fundamental than the space around them, then mind inheres in reality and is not a separate entity.
How does the red bit (whatever it means and assuming it's true) imply the blue bit? How does 'mind' slip in there? That looks like a non-sequitur to me.
Quote:God would be the universal mind or wavefunction from which space emerges.
Now 'God' slips in. Along with the equation of "universal mind" with "wavefunction from which space emerges".
None of this looks like evidence for the existence of God. It looks more like a cryptic statement of somebody's metaphysical speculations.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Syne - Oct 3, 2018
(Oct 3, 2018 04:53 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Since the wavefunction of entangled particles is more fundamental than the space around them,I would tend to agree with that.
Quote:then mind inheres in reality and is not a separate entity.That simply does not follow. You have not defined "mind" in any way which would equate it with a wavefunction.
Quote:God would be the universal mind or wavefunction from which space emerges.This is just a restatement of the previous, recasting "mind" as "God".
It still does not follow.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Ostronomos - Oct 4, 2018
Both of you need to watch the 24 minute video to see how my failure to clarify the finer points succeed.
Mind is analogous to a wavefunction according to the video. So the mind is more fundamental than the space around it. That is my interpretation of the video.
Reality is mind at the ultimate level. Matter unassumingly exists among the universal mind. God is real.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Syne - Oct 4, 2018
No, asserting that "mind is analogous to a wavefunction" does nothing to justify the claim.
A bunch of supposition (no evidence) in a pop-sci video is not compelling.
You make far too many ideologically dogmatic claims without any argument whatsoever.
If you showed the least bit of skepticism, rigorous thinking, cognizance of who you're trying to persuade, etc., you might actually be worth seriously engaging. Because there are interesting philosophical questions in this vein. But as it stands, you're a joke.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Zinjanthropos - Oct 4, 2018
Quote:the mind is more fundamental than the space around it.
Reality is mind at the ultimate level.
So the mind is reality? Reality is more fundamental than space around it? but which is it .... the mind or reality at ultimate level? Should it make a difference if they're one and the same? Poorly written gibberish.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Ostronomos - Oct 5, 2018
Information is meaningless without matter.
Allow me to explain.
God is the fundamental substrate of all that exists. Reality is mind at the ultimate level. So yes, since mind is not completely separate from reality at the ultimate level.
Information that is encoded on the surface of a black hole is captured. We are preserved information structures in the universe.
A theory that purports to explain reality MUST include Quantum entanglement.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Magical Realist - Oct 5, 2018
(Oct 4, 2018 06:48 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:Quote:the mind is more fundamental than the space around it.
Reality is mind at the ultimate level.
So the mind is reality? Reality is more fundamental than space around it? but which is it .... the mind or reality at ultimate level? Should it make a difference if they're one and the same? Poorly written gibberish.
Reality is reality, and reality is mind, and reality is God. There are no useful distinctions in this metaphysics. Everything is everything. You might as well not be thinking at all.
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Zinjanthropos - Oct 5, 2018
Quote:Reality is reality, and reality is mind, and reality is God. There are no useful distinctions in this metaphysics. Everything is everything. You might as well not be thinking at all.
Nice
. I think how one distinguishes one from the other in a literal sense is to throw in a non sequitur.
Quote:Reality is mind at the ultimate level.
Quote:the mind is more fundamental
Doesn't fundamental and ultimate mean pretty much the same thing. So how can something be more fundamental than the ultimate, especially when they're the same thing?
RE: Evidence for the Existence of God - Syne - Oct 6, 2018
(Oct 5, 2018 07:23 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Reality is reality, and reality is mind, and reality is God. There are no useful distinctions in this metaphysics. Everything is everything. You might as well not be thinking at all.
Ostro's gibberish is not valid metaphysics.