![]() |
Teleology in Biology - Printable Version +- Scivillage.com Casual Discussion Science Forum (https://www.scivillage.com) +-- Forum: Science (https://www.scivillage.com/forum-61.html) +--- Forum: Biochemistry, Biology & Virology (https://www.scivillage.com/forum-76.html) +--- Thread: Teleology in Biology (/thread-6147.html) |
Teleology in Biology - Secular Sanity - Sep 16, 2018 There's not much at Sciforums these days but this caught my eye. Yazata Wrote:David Hull (1974, p.102) put the matter very nicely: (Oct 13, 2017 09:05 PM)Yazata Wrote: Why do animals have hearts? In order to pump blood, of course! Why do animals have eyes? To see!! (Dec 3, 2017 09:11 PM)Yazata Wrote: What role do functions play in biology? Biological explanations and theorizing seem to be hugely teleological. Is it possible to banish teleology from biology entirely? This is something that I think about. I said once that there’s a reason why things happen but things do not happen for a reason. Is there no progress or direction? What did you think of James R’s answer? RE: Teleology in Biology - C C - Sep 16, 2018 While there can be peripheral and interdisciplinary departures, biology treated as a discrete subsection of science seems to exclusively deal with complex structures of interacting components that are hell-bent on replicating or preserving their patterns. Accordingly it can't completely avoid the conceptual interpretations and resonances like "specialized functions" and "purposes" that reside under such a general umbrella of "studying systems with configurational, mechanistically expressed self-interest". Being a distinct discipline entails distinguishing itself from other areas like physics, in both nomenclature and outlook, and posturing itself as explanatorily independent of the latter as much as circumstances will allow. There's a grudging acknowledgement of cells and bodies having to be ontologically constituted of atoms and elemental conditions made possible by fundamental forces / agencies. But there might be certain matters which could be brought up in a forum inhabited by biologists, about how _X_ likewise needs to incrementally develop from precursors. With the ensuing responses possibly illustrating how fiercely biology can occasionally or reflexively deem itself as floating on its own, featuring its own brutely emergent or conjured properties / capacities. ~ RE: Teleology in Biology - C C - Sep 16, 2018 Setting aside the supposed descriptive conventions of physics or other "non-life" physical sciences as a whole to get to the original provenance... Should biology be totally beholden to the invented prescriptions of naturalism or the latter's "let's pretend philosophical naturalism is the case" methodological game? Naturalism: Naturalism, challenging the cogency of the cosmological, teleological, and moral arguments, holds that the universe requires no supernatural cause and government, but is self-existent, self-explanatory, self-operating, and self-directing, that the world-process is not teleological and anthropocentric, but purposeless, deterministic (except for possible tychistic events), and only incidentally productive of man; that human life, physical, mental, moral and spiritual, is an ordinary natural event attributable in all respects to the ordinary operations of nature; and that man's ethical values, compulsions, activities, and restraints can be justified on natural grounds, without recourse to supernatural sanctions, and his highest good pursued and attained under natural conditions, without expectation of a supernatural destiny. --Runes Dictionary of Philosophy process: "A particular course of action intended to achieve a result." All those proscriptions against "supernatural" this and that apparently don't forbid natural operation from referring to itself (via human mediators) as its own version of procedure / functioning / producing and selecting results orientation. ~ RE: Teleology in Biology - Secular Sanity - Sep 17, 2018 (Sep 16, 2018 06:57 PM)C C Wrote: All those proscriptions against "supernatural" this and that apparently don't forbid natural operation from referring to itself (via human mediators) as its own version of procedure / functioning / producing and selecting results orientation. It boggles the mind, that’s for sure. I’ll have to do a little more reading on it. That does sound reasonable, though. Thanks, C C! |