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Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - C C - Aug 14, 2018
If you don't like something in the quasi-useless or unreliable pop-market roller coaster of psycho-social research... Just wait a few months, years, or decades and it will change.
Why women choose bad boys: Ovulating women perceive sexy cads as good dads
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm
EXCERPT: Nice guys do finish last at least when it comes to procreation, according to a new study that answers the question of why women choose bad boys. New research has demonstrated that hormones associated with ovulation influence women's perceptions of men as potential fathers.
Women's preference for masculine faces not linked with hormones
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180507074239.htm
EXCERPT: Data from almost 600 participants show that women's perceptions of male attractiveness do not vary according to their hormone levels, in contrast with some previous research.
People love to hate do-gooders, especially at work
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180720112816.htm
EXCERPT: Highly cooperative and generous people can attract hatred and social punishment, especially in competitive environments, new University of Guelph study finds.
Happy guys finish last, says new study on sexual attractiveness
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm
EXCERPT: Women find happy guys significantly less sexually attractive than swaggering or brooding men, according to a new study that helps to explain the enduring allure of "bad boys" and other iconic gender types.
Women know what they want; men get pickier with age
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180626113412.htm
EXCERPT: Online dating is a multi-million-dollar growth industry. Research shows men and women take a different approach to it. Women under 40 seeking a partner online are more particular, especially when it comes to education, but men get pickier as they get older according to a study into the online dating behavior of more than 41,000 Australians
Study finds less corruption in countries where more women are in government
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180615094850.htm
EXCERPT: The new research is the most comprehensive study on this topic and looks at the implications of the presence of women in other occupations as including the shares of women in the labor force, clerical positions, and decision making positions such as the CEOs and other managerial positions.
Holding on to patriarchy-reinforcing beliefs comes at a price
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180202112654.htm
EXCERPT: Some men categorize women into two groups: either they are chaste, nurturing and good, or they are promiscuous, manipulative, and out to seduce them. This polarizing 'Madonna-Whore dichotomy' is grounded in a man's desire to reinforce male dominance, and not only relates to attitudes that restrict a woman's autonomy, but also impairs intimate relationships between men and women.
Real difference between how men, women choose partners
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501132636.htm
EXCERPT: The study [...] shows that when we choose a partner, the framing effect is even stronger in women than it is for men. "When it comes to mate selection, women are more attuned to negatively framed information due to an evolutionary phenomenon called 'parental investment theory,'" says Saad, who has done extensive research on the evolutionary and biological roots of consumer behavior.
Men take shortcuts, while women follow well-known routes
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180523104251.htm
EXCERPT: When navigating in a known environment, men prefer to take shortcuts to reach their destination more quickly, while women tend to use routes they know. This is according to a new study that investigated the different ways in which men and women navigate.
Male couples report as much domestic violence as straight couples
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180710122751.htm
EXCERPT: Nearly half of all men in a new study about intimate partner violence in male couples report being victims of abuse.
Absentee Dads affect how women interpret interest from men
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171102095932.htm
EXCERPT: New research finds that women who were reminded of a time that their dad was absent from their lives -- or who actually experienced poor quality fathering while growing up -- perceived greater mating intent in the described behaviors of a hypothetical male dating partner and when talking with a man. These women also 'saw' more sexual arousal when viewing images of men's faces.
Men And Women Are Programmed Differently When It Comes To Temptation
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715114145.htm
EXCERPT: Men may not see their flirtations with an attractive woman as threatening to the relationship while women do, according to research in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Why do men prefer nice women? Responsiveness and desire
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140725110757.htm
EXCERPT: Does responsiveness increase sexual desire in the other person? Do men perceive responsive women as more attractive, and does the same hold true for women's perceptions of men? A recent study undertook to answer those questions.
Why Men Are Attracted To Subordinate Women
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220004026.htm
EXCERPT: Men are more likely to want to marry women who are their assistants at work rather than their colleagues or bosses, a University of Michigan study finds.
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RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Zinjanthropos - Aug 14, 2018
If nice guys finish last when it comes to a woman's mate selection then what becomes of that woman or her choice? Obviously the inference is that the woman has chosen poorly because the eventual outcome is less than what was expected and the guy ends up being a poor choice for what I assume are habitual bad traits.
It sounds to me like the only reason a guy is labelled nice is because in hindsight, he was the best choice. Nice guy may not get the trophy female but at least he won't have to deal with all the results of her poor decision making abilities for God knows how long. When its all said and done, nice guys finish on the podium.
You look at all these studies and wonder why make the poor decision when you know the odds of it bringing happiness are low. Nice guys actually get a huge let off because they aren't selected by those who don't believe these studies, I assume.
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Secular Sanity - Aug 14, 2018
(Aug 14, 2018 10:35 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Nice guy may not get the trophy female but at least he won't have to deal with all the results of her poor decision making abilities for God knows how long.
Or maybe nice guys don’t think of their wives as trophies. Maybe it’s rare and simply catches our attention. Maybe people overvalue a man’s contributions. Maybe the guy was attractive when they first met. Maybe good looking people are more successful in general. Maybe the woman was just as ambitious as he was. Or maybe—just maybe...it’s because you only notice her looks.
(Aug 14, 2018 09:14 AM)C C Wrote: If you don't like something in the quasi-useless or unreliable pop-market roller coaster of psycho-social research... Just wait a few months, years, or decades and it will change.
Reality check.
Thanks, C C!
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Zinjanthropos - Aug 14, 2018
It's tough to encapsulate a potential filibuster on this subject in a few lines of keyboard punching on a 4 x 2 tablet so I'll just say some guys/gals have to pay for the excess baggage that goes :with their decision making whereas others take only carry on
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Syne - Aug 14, 2018
(Aug 14, 2018 09:14 AM)C C Wrote: Why women choose bad boys: Ovulating women perceive sexy cads as good dadsBecause the hormones at ovulation prioritize instinct (emotion), which is based on natural mate selection cues rather than modern success/stability cues. It's not so much about being a good dad as it is demonstrating good genetics. The bad boy becoming a good dad is just how woman justify the emotions.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm
EXCERPT: Nice guys do finish last at least when it comes to procreation, according to a new study that answers the question of why women choose bad boys. New research has demonstrated that hormones associated with ovulation influence women's perceptions of men as potential fathers.
Quote:Looks are not a factor in natural female mate selection.
Women's preference for masculine faces not linked with hormones
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180507074239.htm
EXCERPT: Data from almost 600 participants show that women's perceptions of male attractiveness do not vary according to their hormone levels, in contrast with some previous research.
Quote:Bullshit. Being more particular does not mean you actually know what you want. In women, these tend to just be social expectations, which women have evolved to be especially sensitive to.
Women know what they want; men get pickier with age
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180626113412.htm
EXCERPT: Online dating is a multi-million-dollar growth industry. Research shows men and women take a different approach to it. Women under 40 seeking a partner online are more particular, especially when it comes to education, but men get pickier as they get older according to a study into the online dating behavior of more than 41,000 Australians
Quote:"Some men" should read "beta men". Everyone else knows women love sex and they're not some idealized, pure angel. It has nothing to do with male dominance and everything to do with male insecurities.
Holding on to patriarchy-reinforcing beliefs comes at a price
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180202112654.htm
EXCERPT: Some men categorize women into two groups: either they are chaste, nurturing and good, or they are promiscuous, manipulative, and out to seduce them. This polarizing 'Madonna-Whore dichotomy' is grounded in a man's desire to reinforce male dominance, and not only relates to attitudes that restrict a woman's autonomy, but also impairs intimate relationships between men and women.
Quote:Of course they are. Being largely driven by emotion in mate selection, women are very sensitive to implicit cues.
Real difference between how men, women choose partners
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501132636.htm
EXCERPT: The study [...] shows that when we choose a partner, the framing effect is even stronger in women than it is for men. "When it comes to mate selection, women are more attuned to negatively framed information due to an evolutionary phenomenon called 'parental investment theory,'" says Saad, who has done extensive research on the evolutionary and biological roots of consumer behavior.
Quote:Typical daddy issues.
Absentee Dads affect how women interpret interest from men
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171102095932.htm
EXCERPT: New research finds that women who were reminded of a time that their dad was absent from their lives -- or who actually experienced poor quality fathering while growing up -- perceived greater mating intent in the described behaviors of a hypothetical male dating partner and when talking with a man. These women also 'saw' more sexual arousal when viewing images of men's faces.
Quote:Men who perceive more receptive women are less needy and less accommodating of bad behavior. Women perceive a threat to their relationship because they know how tempted they are to cheat.
Men And Women Are Programmed Differently When It Comes To Temptation
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715114145.htm
EXCERPT: Men may not see their flirtations with an attractive woman as threatening to the relationship while women do, according to research in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Quote:
Why do men prefer nice women? Responsiveness and desire
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140725110757.htm
EXCERPT: Does responsiveness increase sexual desire in the other person? Do men perceive responsive women as more attractive, and does the same hold true for women's perceptions of men? A recent study undertook to answer those questions.
"We still do not know why women are less sexually attracted to responsive strangers; it may not necessarily have to do with 'being nice.' Women may perceive a responsive stranger as less desirable for different reasons," Prof. Birnbaum cautions. "Women may perceive this person as inappropriately nice and manipulative (i.e., trying to obtain sexual favors) or eager to please, perhaps even as desperate, and therefore less sexually appealing. Alternatively, women may perceive a responsive man as vulnerable and less dominant. Regardless of the reasons, perhaps men should slow down if their goal is to instill sexual desire."
Of course.
Quote:That article left out the results from the women, who would have shown a high propensity to hypergamy. IOW, the women want to marry up just as much as men want to marry down. Only the relatively scarce alpha males want powerful women.
Why Men Are Attracted To Subordinate Women
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220004026.htm
EXCERPT: Men are more likely to want to marry women who are their assistants at work rather than their colleagues or bosses, a University of Michigan study finds.
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Secular Sanity - Aug 14, 2018
I think you overlooked the introductory sentence.
Did you include all of that in your OkCupid profile?
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - C C - Aug 14, 2018
(Aug 14, 2018 10:35 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: If nice guys finish last when it comes to a woman's mate selection then what becomes of that woman or her choice? Obviously the inference is that the woman has chosen poorly because the eventual outcome is less than what was expected and the guy ends up being a poor choice for what I assume are habitual bad traits.
It sounds to me like the only reason a guy is labelled nice is because in hindsight, he was the best choice. Nice guy may not get the trophy female but at least he won't have to deal with all the results of her poor decision making abilities for God knows how long. When its all said and done, nice guys finish on the podium.
You look at all these studies and wonder why make the poor decision when you know the odds of it bringing happiness are low. Nice guys actually get a huge let off because they aren't selected by those who don't believe these studies, I assume.
Back in the 40s and 50s there was supposedly a platitude issued by mothers to the aging, wayward daughter (paraphrasing): "You need to need to stop messing-up your life with these bad-boys and settle down with a nice, boring man who'll take care of you when you're dying of breast cancer". Another enlightenment that comes with age is the realization that you don't need to be in a relationship with a man at all. Not the least due to today's independence (and especially vastly more Milly Scott and Kitty Russell entrepreneurs who are no longer anachronistic oddities in fictional shows).
Individuals do vary. They have unique mixes of preferences that change or adjust over the years, hopefully from less detrimental to more constructive for their lives, that stray from these declared universal conformities and rules that both folk and institutional propaganda spit out. But that said, there are loose data generalizations that can probably be abstracted from sub-cultures, regions, locales, and population groups. (Resembling some Platonic "general" human being and other entities -- certainly mythical in terms of the experienced world of particular objects.)
I've had acquaintances, neighbors, friends and relatives doting on the fact that they chose a "nice guy" from the beginning to shack-up with or marry (I've done that myself). But they usually seem to be skilled men -- regardless of whether in a handyman, farm & ranch management, tech-vocation, white collar professional, business, or academic context. And the "nice" adjective usually swirls around characteristics ranging from not being consistent hotheads, occasionally on the shy / reserved side socially when interactions are not work-related (but assertive in the latter context), jocular personality, little tendency to philander, and so forth. But they're not necessarily "nice" in the sense of having a long attention span in terms of listening or paying attention to their significant other's interests and concerns anymore than the so-called sphincter type.
In terms of a random memory dredged-up, I remember a late 20-ish girl I once worked with writing-off this guy she dated who might arguably be forced or wedged into the nerdy computer stereotype. He was competent at his job and seemed to be on a slow and upward trajectory, but she thought it was weird that he didn't drink beer and it irked her how he was always saying "I'm sorry" about something he said or did. On the flip-side, I indirectly got word from him that she likewise just wasn't right for him either (a trait that vexed him was the way she fondled her cats and dogs, or something to do with too many pets, when they stopped by her house for a bit).
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RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Syne - Aug 14, 2018
(Aug 14, 2018 06:46 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I think you overlooked the introductory sentence.You mean the wholly subjective opinion?
Quote:Did you include all of that in your OkCupid profile?
Not on OkCupid. Is misandrist included on yours?
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Secular Sanity - Aug 14, 2018
(Aug 14, 2018 06:58 PM)Syne Wrote: Is misandrist included on yours?
I'm not single, err.
RE: Gender games in the news (not a dystopian novel franchise) - Syne - Aug 14, 2018
(Aug 14, 2018 07:06 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(Aug 14, 2018 06:58 PM)Syne Wrote: Is misandrist included on yours?
I'm not single, err.
One does not preclude the other.