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Transgender People and Military Service - Secular Sanity - Aug 28, 2017
Should transgender people be allowed to serve in the military?
Should we permit the use of the Departments' resources to fund sex-reassignment surgical procedures?
Military Service by Transgender Individuals
Transgender People and Military Service
What do you think?
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Zinjanthropos - Aug 28, 2017
Does a bullet give a shit?
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Secular Sanity - Aug 28, 2017
(Aug 28, 2017 07:21 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Does a bullet give a shit?
Nope.
I think that they should be allowed to join, but i don't think that we should fund sex-reassignment surgery.
It would not only prevent them from completing their daily duties, but it would also prevent the military from deploying them to areas that have little or no access to medical facilities. It's not only costly, but a safety issue, as well. There are plenty of medical conditions that prevent you from joining the military and for good reason.
No one should be joining the military for health care benefits.
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Zinjanthropos - Aug 28, 2017
(Aug 28, 2017 10:22 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(Aug 28, 2017 07:21 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Does a bullet give a shit?
Nope.
I think that they should be allowed to join, but i don't think that we should fund sex-reassignment surgery.
It would not only prevent them from completing their daily duties, but it would also prevent the military from deploying them to areas that have little or no access to medical facilities. It's not only costly, but a safety issue, as well. There are plenty of medical conditions that prevent you from joining the military and for good reason.
No one should be joining the military for health care benefits.
Let me get this straight....people want a sex change before they get shot at? What's next....The Blind Battalion? Give them a seeing eye dog and a gun, then charge.
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Secular Sanity - Aug 29, 2017
(Aug 28, 2017 11:22 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Let me get this straight....people want a sex change before they get shot at? What's next....The Blind Battalion? Give them a seeing eye dog and a gun, then charge.
Well, your defense spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier said that Canada has already paid for 19 sex-reassignment operations between 2008 and October 2015, at a total cost of around $309,000. source
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Zinjanthropos - Aug 29, 2017
(Aug 29, 2017 05:16 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(Aug 28, 2017 11:22 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Let me get this straight....people want a sex change before they get shot at? What's next....The Blind Battalion? Give them a seeing eye dog and a gun, then charge.
Well, your defense spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier said that Canada has already paid for 19 sex-reassignment operations between 2008 and October 2015, at a total cost of around $309,000. source
Ya, but we're Canada. Everybody's welcome and if we lean any more left then we might flip over. We do what's necessary to be nice and if you're not, well it's ok.
I get a little worried when our soldiers are thinking more of getting their gender right than jumping in a foxhole. Throughout history people of every sexual persuasion have fought in battle. We didn't know it or need to know it when the bullets started flying.
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - RainbowUnicorn - Aug 29, 2017
(Aug 28, 2017 10:22 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(Aug 28, 2017 07:21 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Does a bullet give a shit?
Nope.
I think that they should be allowed to join, but i don't think that we should fund sex-reassignment surgery.
It would not only prevent them from completing their daily duties, but it would also prevent the military from deploying them to areas that have little or no access to medical facilities. It's not only costly, but a safety issue, as well. There are plenty of medical conditions that prevent you from joining the military and for good reason.
No one should be joining the military for health care benefits.
Cost issue =
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.92e17aaac159
thus negated
are dissabled people allowed to serve in the millitary ?
what about civilian contractor disabled people ?
can the public pick and choose what is spent on the millitary ? = no !
is there a cost based benifit return for the millitary by paying for medical expenses ?
if it is a cost based analisys then you must ask how much the millitary spend on deceased service personal.
THAT is a question no politician will want to ask or answer.
yet... the cost benefit analisys is still the question if it is a primary process question.
i think the millitary would be foolish to ban transgender people.
i also think they would be foolish to deny service by LGBTQ people
i also think they would be foolish to deny service by Females.
Technology is advancing soo fast and the millitary primary mandate is to stay one step ahead of everyone else.
thus banning transgender people or LGBTQ people puts them behind the leading edge and thus behind the very position where their mandate of sole purpose is to seek to exist.
When the millitary looses its link and association with the civilian world socially, morally and operationally then they lose the very function of modern mobility to drive themselves forward to be the best and not only the best, but better than all others to which they must always seek.
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Secular Sanity - Aug 30, 2017
(Aug 29, 2017 11:55 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: Cost issue =
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.92e17aaac159
Quote:Wonkblog Analysis
The military spends five times as much on Viagra as it would on transgender troops’ medical care.
thus negated
are dissabled people allowed to serve in the millitary ?
what about civilian contractor disabled people ?
can the public pick and choose what is spent on the millitary ? = no !
is there a cost based benifit return for the millitary by paying for medical expenses ?
if it is a cost based analisys then you must ask how much the millitary spend on deceased service personal.
THAT is a question no politician will want to ask or answer.
yet... the cost benefit analisys is still the question if it is a primary process question.
Erectile dysfunction is not a common problem for young active military members. The majority of the prescriptions were prescribed for retired service members.
There’s only a handful of states that prohibit the private sector from excluding transitional care. This procedure is not covered for most hardworking Americans. Personally, I’d hate to see it become a military recruiting slogan.
State Health Insurance Rules
In addition to this, medical conditions that cause elevated testosterone in women, such as polycystic ovarian syndrome is on the medical disqualification list. This condition can be controlled with hormones and lifestyle changes but still prevents you from joining. Most insurance companies won’t cover cosmetic procedures for females with this condition, who want to appear more feminine. They won’t even cover the cost of hair removal because it’s not medically necessary. Do private insurance companies cover breast augmentation for women with underdeveloped breast due to hormone imbalances or genetic factors, such as ovarian agenesis or Turner’s syndrome? No, they do not.
RE: Transgender People and Military Service - C C - Aug 30, 2017
Technically it should be personally and collectively demeaning to any group that would otherwise seem physically and mentally healthy to receive favoritism as a "special child" of Social Utopian Micro-Management (SUMM). But in reality it probably feels to many of those involved like balancing out the past informal stigma and systematic disparagement of being treated as possessing an unfavorable identity. Since Trump-oid administrations are probably the only ones likely to obstruct or withdraw such, it's difficult for me to congeal a firm opinion about what seems inevitable (again, if after a lapse). What with SUMM applying the pressure or Y and Z gen political domination only increasing on the horizon.
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RE: Transgender People and Military Service - Magical Realist - Aug 30, 2017
I see this more from the perspective of the transgender person. The Pentagon spends 600 billion of taxpayer dollars to support technology and personel designed to kill people. That's all they do. If a tiny fraction is spent on performing a soul-healing surgery on transgender members, so fuckin what? These people didn't ask to be born with broken souls. More power to them if they can find some loophole in the vast transphobic system they are born into that allows them to correct the mistake they just happened to be born with. If joining the military is a means of becoming a whole person, so be it. Is that not the same motive anyone joins the military for? To become a more fulfilled whole person?
Here's another point to bear in mind. The majority of members of the military are not front line warriors "taking a bullet" for their country. They are the vast number of personel behind the scenes that support the warriors with data and technology that enables them to perform their mission. Transgender members largely fill these roles. I myself was an electronics tech in the Navy for 9 years working on communications gear and radar. That was my mission. It was not to take a bullet for my country.