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Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Secular Sanity - May 5, 2017 Yikes! "The Johnson Amendment is a provision in the U.S. tax code that prohibits all 501©(3) non-profit organizations from endorsing or opposing political candidates. 501©(3) organizations are the most common type of nonprofit organization in the United States, ranging from charitable foundations to universities and churches. The amendment is named for then-Senator Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas. In recent years, many Republicans, including President Donald Trump, have sought to repeal it, arguing that it restricts the free speech rights of churches and other religious groups. Repeal has been criticized because churches have fewer reporting requirements than other non-profit organizations, and because it would effectively make political contributions tax-deductible. On May 4, 2017, President Donald Trump signed an executive order easing the Johnson Amendment's restrictions." Johnson Amendment "President Donald Trump marks his first National Prayer Day in the White House by signing an executive order on religious liberty that is expected to severely weaken enforcement of one of the country’s foremost regulations separating church and state."—Newsweek RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Syne - May 5, 2017 There is no such thing as a Constitutional separation of church and state, so such regulatory policies have no solid basis, especially considering they violate the First Amendment (in both the freedom of speech and the free exercise of religion). Since tax exemption is part and parcel of the free exercise clause, it's irrational to think you can essentially use the First Amendment to violate the someone's First Amendment rights. Don't like it? Make your own non-profit. RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Secular Sanity - May 5, 2017 (May 5, 2017 12:56 AM)Syne Wrote: There is no such thing as a Constitutional separation of church and state, so such regulatory policies have no solid basis, especially considering they violate the First Amendment (in both the freedom of speech and the free exercise of religion). Since tax exemption is part and parcel of the free exercise clause, it's irrational to think you can essentially use the First Amendment to violate the someone's First Amendment rights. I would want the money to go to the charity. They have a right to speech, but they should have no rights to subsidized speech. It will be a battle between the Catholics and Mormons. May the best mook win. Someday, Syne, I’ll convince you to help me make an atheist promo video, you'll see.
RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Secular Sanity - May 5, 2017 (May 5, 2017 12:56 AM)Syne Wrote: Since tax exemption is part and parcel of the free exercise clause, it's irrational to think you can essentially use the First Amendment to violate the someone's First Amendment rights. It’s not a violation of their First Amendment rights. In light of the fact that tax exemption is a privilege, a matter of grace rather than right, we hold that the limitations contained in section 501c(3) withholding exemption from nonprofit corporations do not deprive Christian Echoes of its constitutionally guaranteed right of freedom of speech. The Constitutional Issue In Regan v. Taxation with Representation of Washington, 461 U.S. 540 (1983) Rich Christians sacrificing the lives of starving children to line the pockets of politicians. Nice. These restrictions were in place to ensure that non-profit organizations, including religious institutions, operate for the social and public benefit purposes for which they were created and not for partisan interests or private benefit. Daniel Kurtz, former head of the Charities Bureau at the Office of the New York State Attorney General and currently a partner at the law firm Pryor Cashman, gave this statement. "I think it will do nothing good. It’s been very good for the nonprofit world not to get embroiled in partisan politics. People are going to make decisions about supporting charities based on which side they’re on which issue. I think it will be very destructive." Tim Delaney, president of the National Council of Nonprofits, released the following statement. "Nonpartisanship is vital to the work of charitable nonprofits. It enables organizations to address community challenges, and invites the problem-solving skills of all residents, without the distractions of party labels and the caustic partisanship that is bedeviling our country. Indeed, current law is the reason that charitable nonprofits are safe havens from politics, a place where people can come together to actually solve community problems rather than just posture and remain torn apart. Although all of these latest proposals are couched in terms relating to churches, in truth the underlying law is Section 501©(3) in the Tax Code, which relates to all charitable nonprofits and foundations. For more than six decades, the law now being attacked has protected charitable nonprofits and foundations from being pressured by politicians and paid political operatives to divert their time and resources away from advancing their missions in local communities. That law has a proven track record of working well to protect against politicization. Nonprofits are already free to exercise their First Amendment rights to advocate for their missions. Allowing political operatives to push for endorsements would put nonprofits in a position where they become known as Democratic charities or Republican charities and put missions at risk. “Furthermore, those who donate to nonprofits want those contributions to go toward advancing the mission, not toward advancing the careers of politicians or lining the pockets of political consultants. Getting involved in supporting or opposing candidates will have a chilling effect on contributions on which many nonprofits rely." Source Just think of the all the election money flowing through tax-exempt nonprofits and charitable assets being diverted to campaign activities.
RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - C C - May 5, 2017 (May 5, 2017 12:02 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Yikes! Curiously, Johnson's sponsorship for the "amendment" fell out of his wrangling with anti-communist factions within his own party (or those providing funds and support to certain candidates). He had no qualms about securing help from churches himself, and so the latter was somewhat unintended collateral damage. The real aim of the proposal was to stifle election rival Dudley Dougherty, inhibit the CCG's fund-raising endeavors against him, and rattle a Red Scare millionaire's massive radio / TV / literature efforts which were outputted by his likewise tax-exempt organization (Facts Forum). Or if its impact upon Johnson's immediate situation during that voting battle was limited, then to hinder any future, continued threats to his campaigns from the McCarthyism front. Religious institutions over the decades have arguably found tactics for circumventing the prohibition, as well as watchdogs just outright ignoring such violations on many occasions. So perhaps that was part of Johnson's calculations as well, hoping that the "collateral damage" would be minor. Though the author here deems that its consequences upon churches was something that simply sailed over his and other politician's heads at the time -- they didn't take into account how it would inhibit their support from that area. Which was perhaps just as well in the long run, as they eventually lost that name-source crowd of the Bible Belt to the Republicans via changes over ensuing years. RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Secular Sanity - May 5, 2017 I don’t think that anyone is really concerned about the verbal support (the so-called free speech), C C. That’s been happening for years. They’re concerned about the financial support. Political contributions should not be treated as tax deductible charitable contributions. Businesses have an interest in the outcome of elections, as well, but they’re not allowed to claim deductions for anything incurred in connection with influencing legislation. No campaign expenses are deductible that I know of. If non-profit organizations are allowed to pay for advertising or any other expenses earmarked for political purposes, and hidden under a tax-exempt cloak, then corporations, big and small, should be granted the same option. Supposedly, the Free Speech Fairness Act would prevent this from happening. The bill fixes but does not repeal the Johnson Amendment. "The bill does not allow non-profit organizations or churches to engage in political activities outside the normal scope of their tax exempt work or contribute to political activities or candidates." Money with strings attached? Aren’t we trying to curb political corruption? RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Syne - May 5, 2017 (May 5, 2017 01:47 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: They have a right to speech, but they should have no rights to subsidized speech.It's not subsidized speech, it's speech free of Damocles hammer of taxation. You really don't think the IRS weaponized to deny non-profit status, under Obama, couldn't be more readily weaponized to harass people with regular audits, asset freezes, etc.? Hell, I always file a 1040EZ and I've been audited twice (due to clerical errors). Nor do you seem to know that income tax is a communist idea (Carl Marx's Das Kapital), not originally part of US law. The Free Exercise Clause reserves the right of American citizens to accept any religious belief and engage in religious rituals. The wording in the free-exercise clauses of state constitutions that religious “[o]pinion, expression of opinion, and practice were all expressly protected” by the Free Exercise Clause.[1] The clause protects not just religious beliefs but actions made on behalf of those beliefs. More importantly, the wording of state constitutions suggest that “free exercise envisions religiously compelled exemptions from at least some generally applicable laws.”[2] The Free Exercise Clause not only protects religious belief and expression; it also seems to allow for violation of laws, as long as that violation is made for religious reasons. In the terms of economc theory, the Free Exercise Clause promotes a free religious market by precluding taxation of religious activities by minority sects.[3] (May 5, 2017 04:52 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(May 5, 2017 12:56 AM)Syne Wrote: Since tax exemption is part and parcel of the free exercise clause, it's irrational to think you can essentially use the First Amendment to violate the someone's First Amendment rights. The Fifth Amendment’s Just Compensation Clause, ‘‘nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation’’, can be read to to infer the same rights to one's own income. While individuals are compensated with public services, organizations are not compensated any more than the individuals who compose it, making it a double taxation, especially for non-profits that, duh, don't even generate a profit. Regan v. TWR was not about free speech in general but about subsidizing lobbying (specifically as a substantial portion of their activities). And it's the "substantial activity" part that's important: Organizations with a focus on the environment may be the most visible nonprofits engaging in the policy process, but lobbying is no less important for nonprofits working on every issue area, from the arts to wildlife preservation. In a 2007 Stanford Social Innovation Review article, "Creating High-Impact Nonprofits," the authors identified a best practice that all successful high-impact nonprofits share: the combination of providing services in their communities and engaging in policy advocacy, including lobbying, at the local, state, or federal level. Who, after all, knows the problems of their communities more intimately and is in the best position to suggest practical solutions than the nonprofit organizations that work in those communities every day? Nonprofits that do not take advantage of their ability to lobby miss an opportunity to advance policies that will improve the lives of their constituents. And nothing about allowing political speech would force any non-profit to take or publicize any political position whatsoever. So the panic about partisanship is hyperbole. It's all a smoke screen for real partisans trying to stop voices they can't compete with. And you're fooling yourself if you think most charitable organization are not already known to be partisan, simply by their mission statements, press releases, or publishing. (May 5, 2017 11:00 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I don’t think that anyone is really concerned about the verbal support (the so-called free speech), C C. That’s been happening for years. They’re concerned about the financial support. The Johnson Amendment doesn't address financial support, so I don't see how you're imagining getting rid of it promotes tax deductible political contributions. The Johnson Amendment is specifically: "and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." No where does that mention direct campaign contributions. And saying "if corporations can't do it" is a tu quoque argument. RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Secular Sanity - May 6, 2017 (May 5, 2017 11:52 PM)Syne Wrote: It's not subsidized speech, it's speech free of Damocles hammer of taxation. Tax exemption is a public subsidy. Syne Wrote:Nor do you seem to know that income tax is a communist idea (Carl Marx's Das Kapital), not originally part of US law. No. I didn't know that. Where can I find that information? It wasn't in the Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax Quote:The Form 990 requires a public charity to provide a detailed written description of the lobbying activities it has engaged in that tax year. While secular charities are required to provide a description of lobbying activities using Form 990, religious institutions aren't required to file Form 990. There’s also special rules limiting IRS authority to audit a church. "Because of the First Amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion, the IRS has long adopted a largely hands-off approach to regulating churches. For example as long as an organization qualifies as a church, it need not apply to the IRS to receive its tax exemption—the exemption is automatic. Moreover, churches need not file the dreaded IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ--the annual information forms that other charities must file each year. However, many churches apply to the IRS anyway. The advantages of doing so are that (1) the organization will obtain official recognition of its tax-exempt status which assures donors that their contributions are tax deductible, and (2) it will be listed in IRS records as a qualified charitable organization and it can obtain a determination letter from the IRS stating that contributions to it are tax deductible." http://churchesandtaxes.procon.org/sourcefiles/irs-tax-guide-for-churches-and-religious-organizations.pdf Syne Wrote:The Johnson Amendment doesn't address financial support, so I don't see how you're imagining getting rid of it promotes tax deductible political contributions. The Johnson Amendment is specifically: "and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." No where does that mention direct campaign contributions. Are you trying to tell me that a repeal of the Johnson Amendment wouldn’t allow money to flow into politics through tax exempt donations? RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - C C - May 6, 2017 (May 5, 2017 11:00 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I don’t think that anyone is really concerned about the verbal support (the so-called free speech), C C. That’s been happening for years. They’re concerned about the financial support. Yes, the current wonks have their heads stuck up into that particular fixation. But what's curious (again) is that the original motivation for the prohibition didn't even revolve around concern over church political activity (neither the free speech nor the contribution aspects). Historically interesting to me, anyway -- it's not like I was running a poll or really expecting anyone else to raise an eyebrow over a dead crow in the cornfield.
RE: Uh-oh! Trump & The Johnson Amendment - Syne - May 6, 2017 (May 6, 2017 01:00 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote:Bare assertion in lieu of argument or reason.(May 5, 2017 11:52 PM)Syne Wrote: It's not subsidized speech, it's speech free of Damocles hammer of taxation. Quote:Syne Wrote:Nor do you seem to know that income tax is a communist idea (Carl Marx's Das Kapital), not originally part of US law. The section goes on to defend communism from various objections, including claims that it advocates "free love" or disincentivises people from working. The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands—among them a progressive income tax; abolition of inheritances and private property; free public education; nationalisation of the means of transport and communication; centralisation of credit via a national bank; expansion of publicly owned etc.—the implementation of which would result in the precursor to a stateless and classless society. Quote:And? It only seems to be some sort of stubborn pride that keeps some secular ideologies from applying as a church. The left has certainly taken on a quasi-religious fervor lately.Quote:The Form 990 requires a public charity to provide a detailed written description of the lobbying activities it has engaged in that tax year. Quote:Secular charities already did, up to limits depending on whether they make the 501(h) election (with the higher limit requiring 990 reporting). With the aforementioned weaponizing of the IRS, retaliation against speech alone became a real concern.Syne Wrote:The Johnson Amendment doesn't address financial support, so I don't see how you're imagining getting rid of it promotes tax deductible political contributions. The Johnson Amendment is specifically: "and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." No where does that mention direct campaign contributions. |