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Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - C C - Oct 19, 2026 https://apnews.com/article/canada-carney-alberta-separation-vote-independence-1fd99a12188ff82a33a914a0051a0908 EXCERPTS: Monday’s vote is not a direct referendum on independence. Alberta, home to most of Canada’s proven oil reserves — the fourth largest in the world — will decide whether to remain a province or begin the legal process toward a future referendum on separation. More than 1.35 million Albertans, or 43% of eligible voters, cast advance or special ballots ahead of Monday’s referendum, an unusually high level of early participation that underscores the intense interest in the province’s future. Polls close at 8 p.m. local time, with results expected in the hours afterward. Alberta is Canada’s oil heartland and cowboy country, a conservative stronghold whose political culture has long had more in common with the American West than much of Canada. Resentment toward Ottawa runs deep, but has not traditionally translated into widespread support for independence. But even if Albertans reject the proposal, separatist leaders say the movement has transformed a fringe cause into a force in provincial politics and is not going away. Prime Minister Mark Carney urged Albertans to deliver a decisive vote for unity. “Vote like Canada’s future depends on it because it does,” he told a rally Friday in Edmonton, where he grew up. Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, who called the referendum despite opposing independence, cited a poll showing just 22% support for separation, a figure she said was still too high. [...] Liberal prime ministers have long faced resentment from Albertans over federal energy policies, but Carney has emerged as an unusually popular figure by backing policies more friendly to fossil fuels, such as a proposed oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast. Joining Smith in a show of unity against independence, Carney warned that the referendum comes at the “worst possible time” and urged Albertans not to use their votes merely to send Ottawa a message. Smith, who frequently clashed with Justin Trudeau, praised Carney for improving relations. “I think what we can agree on is that we have had some real change in the last 18 months,” she said Friday. By calling a referendum she opposes, Smith acknowledged pressure from separatist activists within her governing United Conservative Party who helped bring her to power. Some of those activists helped oust former Premier Jason Kenney in 2022. Kenney said separatism had traditionally been a fringe cause, with independence parties typically attracting only 1% or 2% of the vote. He said the pandemic mobilized activists angry over public health restrictions and government authority. Separatist leader Jeff Rath said federal COVID-19 vaccine mandates drove him toward independence, while Tanya Clemens, co-chair of Let Alberta Decide, said pandemic restrictions spurred political organizing. [...] Wilson argues that Alberta’s grievances go deeper. With much of Canada’s population concentrated in Ontario and Quebec, he said Liberal governments can win elections without significant support in Alberta, leaving the province vulnerable to federal policies opposed by its energy industry. Wilson argues that Carney’s proposed Pacific Link pipeline illustrates the dysfunction, saying federal restrictions have discouraged private investment and could leave taxpayers financing the project. At the same time, Wilson rejects Alberta becoming an American state. “I have no interest in substituting a master that rules over my children’s future, who’s in Ottawa, with a new one who’s in Washington,” he said. Other separatist leaders have sought contact with the Trump administration. Rath and fellow independence advocates met three times with U.S. State Department officials in Washington to discuss Alberta’s future. Chief Sheldon Sunshine of Sturgeon Lake Cree Nation condemned those meetings, calling them “absolutely treasonous to the people of Canada, people of Alberta.” Sunshine said Alberta cannot leave Canada without First Nations’ consent, citing treaties that predate the province — and said his nation would remain part of Canada even if Albertans vote for independence. [...] Malka expects a decisive rejection but fears separatists won’t give up. “This is only the start of separation Armageddon, if you will. This is their starting point,” he said... (MORE - missing details) RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - stryder - Oct 19, 2026 (Oct 19, 2026 07:52 PM)C C Wrote: https://apnews.com/article/canada-carney-alberta-separation-vote-independence-1fd99a12188ff82a33a914a0051a0908 Hopefully Canadians/Albertans are smart enough to learn from Brexit in the sense that the vote itself should be two votes split over 6-18+ months if they are serious, as it allows the consideration of what it is they are trying to achieve without getting railroaded into an outcome that can turn out to not be good. RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - Yazata - Oct 19, 2026 If I was an Alberta voter, I'd vote 'yes' on this preliminary election in order to send a message to Ottawa. But I might vote 'no' on a final independence referendum. I kind of like Canada and wouldn't want to see their country break up. RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - Syne - Oct 20, 2026 I would send a message to Ottawa and then intend to leave unless permanent concessions were added to the Constitution Act of 1982 (what I understand as having the hardest elements to amend). RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - C C - Oct 20, 2026 As predicted (early morning results)... Around 77 percent supported remaining in Canada, and 23 percent voted for starting the process of separation, according to unofficial results from Elections Alberta. The vote was not a direct independence referendum—it instead asked Albertans whether they should remain part of Canada, or hold a binding referendum on separation. [IOW, only an attempt to scare Ottawa and gain respect.] Prime Minister Mark Carney said the results mean “Albertans and all Canadians will move forward together with renewed purpose and high ambition.” Jeff Rath, one of the separatist leaders, decried Ottawa’s overreach while speaking to Canada’s Global News as the results were coming in, and said federal policies were “continuing to destroy the economy of this province.” He told reporters his push for independence will "absolutely" continue, despite the result from Monday's vote. "As far as I'm concerned we've already won. We've created a massive movement in this province. We've been educating Albertans on the benefits of independence and we're continuing to move forward." Separatist supporter Roger Hodkinson, an 82-year-old retired doctor, told AFP "this movement is not going to stop." For the time being, however, the majority of Albertans have sent a clear message to Ottawa: "Love your BDSM abuse. Back us up into the corner and give us some more of that special stuff." RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - Zinjanthropos - Oct 20, 2026 When does California vote? Washington(the state)? Vermont? Texas? No matter where, the grass is greener over there. When I lived in BC we'd go to Point Roberts Wash and listen to bar flies wishing to join Canada. Geography dictates. RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - Syne - Oct 20, 2026 US states are significantly more autonomous than Canadian provinces. We can resist our federal government much more. So I'm not sure it's a one for one comparison... even if people ignorant of that fact like to whine, while still voting in the same state/city party that caused their problems. RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - Zinjanthropos - Oct 20, 2026 We’re only talking secession vote, right? American guy described the USA as an indestructible union to me once. IOW no one votes to secede unless the feds say so or if they do vote then the feds can say no. Does constitution prohibit any or all states from seceding? RE: Albertans vote on path to independence as Carney fights to keep Canada united - Syne - Oct 20, 2026 (2 hours ago)Zinjanthropos Wrote: We’re only talking secession vote, right? American guy described the USA as an indestructible union to me once. IOW no one votes to secede unless the feds say so or if they do vote then the feds can say no. Does constitution prohibit any or all states from seceding? Yes, it takes a lot to secede from the US. But states have enough autonomy that they don't really need to secede to uphold their own values and priorities. Many federal programs, and even laws, can be opted out of, though there are often economic incentives to opt-in. Both in the US and Canada, secession would require a constitutional amendment, as no state/province has any unilateral right to withdraw. |