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Why are you gay? - Syne - Apr 17, 2026
Like most gay men, I wasn't 'born this way' — and I refuse to lie about it RE: Why are you gay? - Magical Realist - Apr 17, 2026 It's sad to see gay men who have so internalized homophobia and self-hate that they can't accept their own sexuality as part of who they are. Such are the lasting affects of the legacy of the conservative/Christian right in pathologizing it and attacking it as some form of perversion and mental illness. Fortunately such deluded malcontents are few and far between. The problem with attributing being gay to trauma is that trauma these days is so overused as an excuse for how one turned out that practically everything counts for it . A father who left. A mentally ill mother. An alcoholic step father. Being bullied in school. You name it. It's trauma. And so nowadays it is used to make sense of some way you are that you don't want to be. As if you are trapped somehow by your past. I don't agree with that. As an existentialist I believe we create the reality we want to live in. Part of maturing and becoming a happy human being is learning to accept the things in yourself that you cannot change. And as we know, sexuality is one of those. Self-acceptance is the key to wholeness--to the point of even loving the dark parts of yourself you have been saddled with. If being gay is something you dislike about yourself, you should explore why you feel that way and how you can come to terms with it. It's just part of remaining sane in an all too insane world that is trying every day to turn you into something you're not. RE: Why are you gay? - confused2 - Apr 17, 2026 I read the OP and didn't think it related to any homosexuals I've known. One committed suicide at the age of 20 (in 1974) .. I have my suspicions about Mensa not being quite what it pretends to be. Of two that I knew for years .. one celibate (a priest) but out and apparently 'normal' and well-adjusted. Another in a long-term relationship.. also out and well-adjusted .. 'married' but before that had and any legal meaning. Of other odds and sods .. all pretty 'normal' and apparently well adjusted. We all choose who we share a bed with .. mostly it's fun .. yaay Whatsit's got a new gf/bf. MR's 'gayness' .. choosing words carefully .. I can't see any reason to like or dislike him either because of or in spite of it - it's just one feature among ..er.. other features. RE: Why are you gay? - Magical Realist - Apr 17, 2026 Quote:MR's 'gayness' .. choosing words carefully It's a tell tale sign when someone refers to gays and lesbians as "homosexuals" that they are a homophobe. It's an ugly sounding label dating back to the old days when it was used to strike hysteria in the minds of the public about us as sexual predators and mentally-ill perverts. I really don't like "gay" much better though, which sounds like the stereotype of the flamboyant and nelly queen. And I'm certainly not going to settle for "queer" either. Such are the hazards of identifying oneself as belonging in a social category or group. It's essentially depersonalizing and even rigidly taxonomic, like some animal or insect species. If they were really serious about classifying all human beings based solely on their sexual proclivities, they'd quickly exhaust the list of available descriptors! “No, I am not a homosexual. But I’m also not going to go through my life with one hand tied behind my back.” ---James Dean RE: Why are you gay? - C C - Apr 17, 2026 Meh. He said, he said. "He declares it's biological for socio-political reasons." "He declares it's acquired because he's a self-hater wanting to fit in." And both of these general, rival views apparently regarding their stances as absolute or universal (which is actually the thing that is most highly unlikely). When it is strictly biological, it may often be due to hormonal imbalances during womb development (contingent instabilities of the supporting maternal body), since one identical twin being heterosexual and another being homosexual seems to derail somewhat a strict genetic origin. If an all-knowing supernatural entity held a gun to my head and forced me to predict who was gay solely due to biological reasons rather than a complex of different factors, my method of choice (for garnering more points than misses) would have to be those with distinctive gay speech from age two or three. When in the context of being raised in a straight family with little or no exposure to living gay stereotypes and gay community members. "Scientific research has uncovered phonetically significant features produced by many gay men and demonstrated that listeners accurately guess speakers' sexual orientation at rates greater than chance. [...] Research does not support the notion that gay speech entirely adopts mainstream feminine speech characteristics — rather, that it selectively adopts some of those features." Obviously, I'd be counting on or clinging to the rope of there existing those who had never needed to selectively adopt such (again, were doing it as soon as they could actually speak or had departed crib babbling). RE: Why are you gay? - Magical Realist - Apr 17, 2026 Quote:"Scientific research has uncovered phonetically significant features produced by many gay men and demonstrated that listeners accurately guess speakers' sexual orientation at rates greater than chance. [...] Research does not support the notion that gay speech entirely adopts mainstream feminine speech characteristics — rather, that it selectively adopts some of those features." It seems more scientific to me to accept the ability to clearly enunciate words as normal and predominant among girls and gay boys (and British children in general?) and define the slurring speech patterns of straight boys as the true abnormality. Maybe they all need some speech remedial training. "The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain." But then, who would fund THOSE studies? RE: Why are you gay? - C C - Apr 17, 2026 (Apr 17, 2026 10:40 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: It seems more scientific to me to accept the ability to clearly enunciate words as normal and predominant among girls and gay boys and define the slurring speech patterns of straight boys as the true abnormality. Maybe they all need some speech remedial training. But then, who would fund THOSE studies? While granting that Marlon Brando was an omnifetishist who would even have sex with soft drink dispenser machines... Still, by and large he indeed did the mumbling (and Stanley Kowalski behavior) to make himself different enough from women that groupies and other celebrities (like Rita Moreno) would be attracted to him. Gung-ho for any object, any animal, and any person -- yes, but still tilting heavily on the male heterosexual side and exemplifying its stereotypicality and objectives. When making the movie The Night of the Following Day, he reportedly disliked the way the director and script were portraying his character "Bud" that he got him kicked off later, and the film's production was handed over to someone who made Bud more macho (Brando even getting to use a machine gun toward the end).
RE: Why are you gay? - Magical Realist - Apr 18, 2026 I think we just needed more masculine British-speaking actors like Richard Burton or Peter O'Toole who could properly enunciate and lacked the typical American male slur (they were both great in "Becket"). It's a shame the Hollywood ideal of the macho male had to incorporate a speech impediment into itself just to make it more publically "distinguishable". Even more shameful was how they used the comedic "lisp" to distinguish gay male characters (though not a real lisp just an overpronunciation of "s's"). |