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The neocons are working hard to co-opt MAGA (both Bush eras revival community) - C C - Jun 18, 2025
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-neocons-are-working-hard-to-co-opt-maga/
EXCERPTS: Perpetual war hawks are trying hard to fool conservatives into believing that “America First” really means America last...
[...] It was just a month ago that President Donald Trump buried the neoconservatives during his speech in Saudi Arabia: “The so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.” (No modern presidency was more associated with “nation-building” than that of George W. Bush, a legacy Trump vehemently rejected early in the 2016 GOP presidential debates.)
The president said next, “The gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called ‘nation-builders,’ neocons, or liberal nonprofits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop Baghdad, so many other cities.”
Despite what is transpiring right now between Israel, Iran, and the United States, it was Trump’s Saudi speech that most clearly laid out for a global audience what MAGA is supposed to look like on the world stage. On foreign policy, that vision is what 77 million Americans voted for in November and what polls show a majority of Republicans want.
Even if this is not what Trump seems to be doing right now. It’s one thing for realists and non-interventionists to question whether Trump is going back on his word. It’s quite another to pretend this president never said those words.
But from a neoconservative perspective, why wouldn’t Cotton and his friends try to use the current zeitgeist to reorient Republicans toward that old-time religion of the Bush-Cheney GOP?
They are certainly working hard to do so.
The neocon fanatic Mark Levin went on a long screed Monday about what is “Real MAGA and Fake MAGA.” “Real MAGA” in his eyes means anyone who is for war for Israel first. “Fake MAGA” for him means conservatives who might dare to put their own country first... (MORE - missing details)
RE: The neocons are working hard to co-opt MAGA (both Bush eras revival community) - Syne - Jun 18, 2025
American interests, even abroad, is America first. Keeping the leading funder of global terrorism from getting nuclear weapons is in our interests. While Israel is the proximity target, remember, Islamists call Israel the "little Satan" and the US the "great Satan." That means the US is the ultimate target.
Isolationist absolutists seem to be ideologues who can't see the big picture or foresee the consequences of removing all US influence. They seem to take "America first" at it's most naive, literal, and immediate.
RE: The neocons are working hard to co-opt MAGA (both Bush eras revival community) - stryder - Jun 18, 2025
(Jun 18, 2025 05:04 PM)C C Wrote: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-neocons-are-working-hard-to-co-opt-maga/
EXCERPTS: Perpetual war hawks are trying hard to fool conservatives into believing that “America First” really means America last...
[...] It was just a month ago that President Donald Trump buried the neoconservatives during his speech in Saudi Arabia: “The so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.” (No modern presidency was more associated with “nation-building” than that of George W. Bush, a legacy Trump vehemently rejected early in the 2016 GOP presidential debates.)
The president said next, “The gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called ‘nation-builders,’ neocons, or liberal nonprofits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop Baghdad, so many other cities.”
Despite what is transpiring right now between Israel, Iran, and the United States, it was Trump’s Saudi speech that most clearly laid out for a global audience what MAGA is supposed to look like on the world stage. On foreign policy, that vision is what 77 million Americans voted for in November and what polls show a majority of Republicans want.
Even if this is not what Trump seems to be doing right now. It’s one thing for realists and non-interventionists to question whether Trump is going back on his word. It’s quite another to pretend this president never said those words.
But from a neoconservative perspective, why wouldn’t Cotton and his friends try to use the current zeitgeist to reorient Republicans toward that old-time religion of the Bush-Cheney GOP?
They are certainly working hard to do so.
The neocon fanatic Mark Levin went on a long screed Monday about what is “Real MAGA and Fake MAGA.” “Real MAGA” in his eyes means anyone who is for war for Israel first. “Fake MAGA” for him means conservatives who might dare to put their own country first... (MORE - missing details)
77mil.... out of 340mil (according to worldbank) 174Mil were registered to vote (According to Census Gov), so thats around 44.25% of Registered Americans voting for MAGA. I guess the majority they are refering to is a majority from within that 77mil MAGA voters as opposed to Americans.
While this isn't commenting on War Hawking or whatever current political debacle is unfolding, it is about making sure the information that is used is understood correctly.
RE: The neocons are working hard to co-opt MAGA (both Bush eras revival community) - Syne - Jun 18, 2025
Seems an unfounded assumption to think the registered non-voters were all on one political side. That alone would make your 44.25% suspect.