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Consciousness reveals there's no single objective world + 5th Copernican moment - C C - Apr 26, 2025
Consciousness reveals there's no single objective world
https://iai.tv/articles/consciousness-reveals-reality-cannot-be-described-auid-3151?_auid=2020
INTRO: Does reality contain only physical things? Or could everything be conscious, as panpsychists claim? Philosopher Christian List argues it’s time to move beyond both sides of this debate. Consciousness reveals something far more radical: reality cannot be captured by a single, objective description. Dualists, panpsychists and materialists all assume that there’s one unified reality that science and philosophy can aim to describe. But the deep subjectivity of consciousness shows this can’t be right. Reality cannot be contained in a single book – only a whole library of perspectives will do... (MORE - details)
Humanity’s Fifth Copernican Moment
https://rationaloptimistsociety.substack.com/p/humanitys-fifth-copernican-moment
EXCERPT: I expect to see the existence of extraterrestrial life confirmed within the next few years. When it happens, put down your phone, look up from your work, walk away from your computer, and let the moment sink in. Then we can go back to arguing about pronouns and tariffs...
RE: Consciousness reveals there's no single objective world + 5th Copernican moment - Magical Realist - Apr 26, 2025
Quote:And no, UFO reports don’t count as evidence. If they really were alien spacecraft we would have got decent photographs by now and certainly not kept the secret inside the notoriously leaky American government. We can be fairly confident that they have not dropped by.
Tens of thousands of eyewitness reports by scientists, military personnel, astronomers, government officials, airline pilots, and people of every nation and ethnicity over the past 80 years as well as excellent photos and videos and FLIR and radar recordings do indeed count as a substantial amount of evidence. Unless of course one has a sterling online reputation to maintain as a peer-respected sciency writer who can't be bothered by the contemporary developments currently taking place in our world. Then it's just business as usual I guess..like scrutinizing the atmospheric composition of the most recently discovered goldilocks planet. Copernican moment indeed. Thank God for rational optimists.
RE: Consciousness reveals there's no single objective world + 5th Copernican moment - Syne - Apr 26, 2025
If you have to be an optimist, it is not solid evidence.