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The hunt for the laws of physics behind memory and thought - C C - Oct 3, 2024

https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-hunt-for-the-laws-of-physics-behind-memory-and-thought

EXCERPTS: . . . The behavior of single neurons is well understood. But put them together into networks and much more significant behaviors emerge, such as sensory perception, memories and thought. The hope is that a statistical or mathematical approach to these systems could reveal the laws of neural physics that describe the bulk behavior of nervous systems and brains.

“It is an old dream of the physics community to provide a statistical mechanics description for these and other emergent phenomena of life,” say Leenoy Meshulam at the University of Washington and William Bialek at Princeton University, who have reviewed progress in this area. “These aspirations appear in a new light because of developments in our ability to measure the electrical activity of the brain, sampling thousands of individual neurons simultaneously over hours or days.”

The nature of these laws is, of course, fundamentally different to the nature of conventional statistical physics. At the heart of the difference is that neurons link together to form complex networks in which the behavior of one neuron can be closely correlated with the behavior of its neighbors.

It is relatively straightforward to formulate a set of equations that capture this behavior. But it quickly becomes apparent that these equations cannot be easily solved in anything other than trivial circumstances.

[...] One challenge here is that networks can demonstrate emergent behavior. This is not the result of random correlations or even weak correlations. Instead, the correlations can be remarkably strong and can spread through a network like an avalanche.

Networks that demonstrate this property are said to be in a state of criticality and are connected in a special way that allows this behavior. This criticality turns out to be common in nature and suggests networks can tune themselves in a special way to achieve it.

“Self-organized criticality” has been widely studied in the last two decades and there has been some success in describing it mathematically. But exactly how this self-tuning works is the focus of much ongoing research.

Just how powerful these approaches will become is not yet clear.... (MORE - missing details)


RE: The hunt for the laws of physics behind memory and thought - Syne - Oct 3, 2024

Good luck with that.


RE: The hunt for the laws of physics behind memory and thought - geordief - Oct 4, 2024

(Oct 3, 2024 10:37 PM)C C Wrote: https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-hunt-for-the-laws-of-physics-behind-memory-and-thought

EXCERPTS: . . . The behavior of single neurons is well understood. But put them together into networks and much more significant behaviors emerge, such as sensory perception, memories and thought. The hope is that a statistical or mathematical approach to these systems could reveal the laws of neural physics that describe the bulk behavior of nervous systems and brains.

“It is an old dream of the physics community to provide a statistical mechanics description for these and other emergent phenomena of life,” say Leenoy Meshulam at the University of Washington and William Bialek at Princeton University, who have reviewed progress in this area. “These aspirations appear in a new light because of developments in our ability to measure the electrical activity of the brain, sampling thousands of individual neurons simultaneously over hours or days.”

The nature of these laws is, of course, fundamentally different to the nature of conventional statistical physics. At the heart of the difference is that neurons link together to form complex networks in which the behavior of one neuron can be closely correlated with the behavior of its neighbors.

It is relatively straightforward to formulate a set of equations that capture this behavior. But it quickly becomes apparent that these equations cannot be easily solved in anything other than trivial circumstances.

[...] One challenge here is that networks can demonstrate emergent behavior. This is not the result of random correlations or even weak correlations. Instead, the correlations can be remarkably strong and can spread through a network like an avalanche.

Networks that demonstrate this property are said to be in a state of criticality and are connected in a special way that allows this behavior. This criticality turns out to be common in nature and suggests networks can tune themselves in a special way to achieve it.

“Self-organized criticality” has been widely studied in the last two decades and there has been some success in describing it mathematically. But exactly how this self-tuning works is the focus of much ongoing research.

Just how powerful these approaches will become is not yet clear.... (MORE - missing details)
Is this related -or "connected" even?(on the  BBC website today)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lw0nxw71po

"Fly brain breakthrough 'huge leap' to unlock human mind"

" Now for the first time scientists researching the brain of a fly have identified the position, shape and connections of every single one of its 130,000 cells and 50 million connections ""        

Edit :does your link imply that there are changes that  can sweep  or propagate across the  system of neural connections  in ways that resemble the patterns one might observe in a wheeling flock of starlings?

Motions  in some kind of of sub space or meta space that are somehow "emergent" from the physical connections  and  could represent properties of the system as a whole rather than just the sum of its parts?


RE: The hunt for the laws of physics behind memory and thought - C C - Oct 4, 2024

(Oct 4, 2024 12:34 AM)geordief Wrote: Is this related -or "connected" even?(on the  BBC website today)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0lw0nxw71po

"Fly brain breakthrough 'huge leap' to unlock human mind"

" Now for the first time scientists researching the brain of a fly have identified the position, shape and connections of every single one of its 130,000 cells and 50 million connections ""        

Edit :does your link imply that there are changes that  can sweep  or propagate across the  system of neural connections  in ways that resemble the patterns one might observe in a wheeling flock of starlings?

Motions  in some kind of of sub space or meta space that are somehow "emergent" from the physical connections  and  could represent properties of the system as a whole rather than just the sum of its parts?

The fly research is arguably more of a "hardware map" achievement. Whereas the application of statistical mechanics is along the line of developing formal frameworks or mathematical models for prediction making. There will be some crisscross of each, though. Abstractions being drawn from the micro-anatomical structure and dynamics of a brain, and those governing, analytical, and probabilistic conceptions reciprocally employed to further refine understanding and forecasting of how the former operate.