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Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - C C - Aug 21, 2024
Cynic's Corner: Similar to that failed "red wave" of 2022, this is just another hyped-up illusion or GOP fantasy. There are Black conservatives who actually do vote that way, but they remain a minority.
Take one of the guys interviewed below, who spoke up about favoritism toward undocumented migrants hurting Blacks. He then conflictingly says later that he's going to vote for Harris. His logic exemplifies why Dems can take the vote of the community for granted over the course of many decades to come.
Sure. Lots of talk and big show about not being owned, but in terms of what the actions will be in November, it's the same reliable, faithful, monolithic voting block. So indeed remain stoic and unflappable, Kammie: You will be the new hero on the dais come January. (Music video reflecting that)
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Lawrence Jones interviews voters at barbershops in Chicago, finds Black men are split on Trump and Harris.
https://youtu.be/6bqbtGmv7AU
VIDEO EXCERPTS: Lawrence: WHAT DO THEY SAY IS NORMALLY THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THEY FEEL IS FACING THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW?
>> FINANCING. [..] COST OF LIVING IS HIGH.
>> THEY TELL ME THEY WANT TO SEE A CHANGE IN INFLATION, PRICES.
>> I THINK TAXES ARE TOO HIGH. GROCERIES ARE HIGH. TAXES ARE TOO HIGH, GAS IS TOO HIGH.
>> ALL THE IMMIGRANTS CAME IN, AND THEY GIVE THEM LIKE THE STUFF THEY HAVE FOR THE AMERICANS. THEY ARE GIVING IT TO THE IMMIGRANTS THAT COME IN.
>> Lawrence: UM-HUH.
>> IT HURTS BLACK PEOPLE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
>> BLACK MEN ARE PARTICULARLY LIKE TO WORK WITH THEIR HANDS. THEY LIKE IT DRIVE TRUCKS. THOSE ARE JOBS THAT, YOU KNOW, AN ILLEGAL CAN COME IN AND UNDERBID HIM WITH THIRD WORLD PRICES AND PUT HIM OUT OF WORK.
>> Lawrence: WHO DO YOU THINK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, GIVING THEM THE BENEFITS AND ALLOWING THEM TO COME OVER.
>> BIDEN.
>> TRUMP WAS TRYING TO KEEP THEM OUT, SO TO SPEAK. AS MUCH AS HE COULD. BUT, BIDEN JUST LIKE LEFT THE GATE OPEN.
>> Lawrence: WHO WOULD WIN FROM THE PEOPLE YOU SPEAK TO: KAMALA HARRIS OR DONALD TRUMP?
>> IT'S 50/50.
>> Lawrence: STILL A 50/50 RACE.
>> UP IN THE AIR. SOME PEOPLE LIKE KAMALA BECAUSE SHE REPRESENTS CHANGE. SOME PEOPLE LIKE TRUMP BECAUSE HE IS MORE BUSINESS MINDED.
[...] >> IT'S REALLY ENLIGHTENING TO HEAR INDIVIDUALS START TO CHANGE THEIR POLITICAL DIRECTION. [...] STOP BEING BLINDLY FAITHFUL TO A ONE-PARTY SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT
WORK FOR US.
>> GROWING UP, YOU CHOOSE TO BE LIKE, A DEMOCRAT. YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY.
>> IT'S TIME, YOU KNOW, TO START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
>> ESPECIALLY MOST OF US, I BELIEVE WE VOTED DEMOCRAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WAS BROUGHT UP TO DO [...] VOTE DEMOCRAT. BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE NO CHANGE THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> EVERYTHING YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE DEMOCRATS, ARE ALREADY THINGS THAT THEY FAILED AT FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
>> BLACKS ARE STRUGGLING MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEMOCRATS. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PRISON RATE. HIGHEST HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT RATE. HIGHEST HURT RATE. WHAT'S IN IT FOR US?
>> BLACKS ARE CONSERVATIVE. IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY COULD JUST LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE. AND THE REASON WHY THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE, THEY DON'T GET US.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP RIGHT NOW. AS YOU CAN SEE, SPEAKING TO THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THIS SHOP.
Lawrence Jones interviews voters at barbershops in Chicago, finds Black men are split on Trump and Harris.
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Magical Realist - Aug 22, 2024
"A vast majority of Black Americans trust Kamala Harris and distrust Donald Trump – 71% compared to 5% – according to the largest-known survey of Black Americans since the Reconstruction era. The survey of 211,219 Black people across all 50 states showed that the presumptive Democratic nominee may have a higher chance of winning over Black voters than the Republican candidate.
At a virtual press conference on Thursday afternoon, the Black-led innovation thinktank Black Futures Lab, revealed findings from its 2023 Black Census, which was conducted with the help of 50 Black-led grassroots organizations and national partners across the country from February 2022 to October 2023. The latest survey garnered seven times the respondents from the first census in 2018, which received 30,000 responses. Two-thirds of the respondents were women, a majority were from the south, and nearly half were from 45 to 64 years old. Black Futures Lab believes that the census results will help inform voter mobilization efforts ahead of presidential and local elections.
“For us to be powerful in politics, we must control the agenda,” said Black Futures Lab’s field director Natishia June at the press conference. “This is why the Black Census is crucial.”
The top three issues that Black Americans are concerned about were low wages at 38%, gun violence at 33% and failing schools at 31%, according to the survey. Economic concerns were top of mind for survey respondents, with 97% reporting that they want college to be made more affordable, 95% want minimum wage increased to $15 an hour and 94% desire an expansion of government aid for those who need it. Government aid, according to survey respondents, could range from helping small businesses to increasing access to affordable housing.
“There’s this narrative in the media, and amongst folks that attack Black people, that Black folks just want handouts – and that’s further from the truth,” said the group’s principal, Kristin Powell. “What Black people want is the support that they’re investing in. If we’re giving tax dollars to this country, we want to get paid back.”
Black Americans trust small businesses more than any institutions, while they trust corporations, elected officials and police the least. “Small businesses being the most trusted makes a lot of sense,” said Powell, “as Black folks are investing more in building their own businesses and want that support to do that.”
When looking at party affiliation, the survey also revealed that 70% of respondents identified as Democratic, while 2% identified as Republican. Of the 23% of people who identify as independent, they still lean Democratic.
“There’s so much rhetoric about the independent voters, even Black independent voters, and that they’re up for grabs by either party. But the data doesn’t support that,” Powell added. “What the data says is that Black voters lean Democrat, and when they don’t feel like they’re delivered for, they then don’t vote at all.”----- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/25/harris-trump-election-black-voters
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Syne - Aug 22, 2024
(Aug 22, 2024 02:06 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Two-thirds of the respondents were women,...
That alone explains the results, as women in general are much more leftist than men, and it's even more so in the black community.
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Magical Realist - Aug 22, 2024
"Today, African Americans have stronger support for the Democratic Party than any group has for either party, voting 93% Democratic in the 2012 presidential election, 89% Democratic in the 2016 presidential election, and 87% Democratic in the 2020 presidential election."---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States)#:~:text=Today%2C%20African%20Americans%20have%20stronger,in%20the%202020%20presidential%20election.
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Syne - Aug 23, 2024
That percentage is on a stead decline. Explains the borders and calls for a path to citizenship for all the illegals.
God forbid the Democrats actually help people enough to retain the voters.
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Magical Realist - Aug 23, 2024
Yeah...still waiting on that sudden mass conversion of blacks to the GOP. Afterall, it's Trump.....AGAIN! lol
"Meanwhile, he (Trump) has also been accused of making racist comments by his critics, such as comments he made in March when he suggested that Black people like him because he's been discriminated against in the legal system.
"I got indicted a second time and a third time and a fourth time, and a lot of people said that that's why the Black people like me," Trump said while speaking at the Black Conservative Federation's annual Gala in Columbia, South Carolina."
https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-polls-black-voters-donald-trump-national-polling-average-1942378
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Syne - Aug 23, 2024
Who said there was ever going to be a "sudden mass conversion?" The voices in your head are confusing you again.
How can it be racist to assume black people might identify with someone being discriminated against? Don't Democrats all agree that blacks are discriminated against?
If not, that's new and amazing news to me.
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Magical Realist - Aug 23, 2024
Quote:Who said there was ever going to be a "sudden mass conversion?"
There's only a little over two months left till the election. If there's gonna be a sizeable decline in black democratic voters, it would have to be a sudden mass conversion. And that's not gonna happen. Trump is a proven racist idiot and everyone, especially black people, know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWNa8uRad3M
Quote:How can it be racist to assume black people might identify with someone being discriminated against?
It's racist to say that black people will be for you because you've been convicted of crimes. It's basically saying all blacks are criminals and only vote for fellow criminals. You're as much an idiot as Trump is if you can't grasp that.
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Syne - Aug 23, 2024
Again, who said there was going to "be a sizeable decline in black democratic voters?" The most likely outcome is that the percentage slowly dropping over time, as you posted, continues to do so.
Funny that you claim black people know he's racist but you post a video of a white savior. I guess someone needs to tell those black people what to think, huh? Only racists think black people lack personal agency.
If you could read, you'd notice that your own Newsweek quote said "a lot of people said..." That literally refers to the opinions of others.
And I guess you're completely unaware of the portion of the black culture that glamorizes gang activity in rap, "street cred" for doing jail time, etc.. "A lot of people" could be referring to that.
But, pray tell, where did Trump say it was only because he had been convicted? Didn't he say it was because he was "wrongly convicted," as Democrats claim many black people have experienced? Where's the white Democrats who can claim they share that experience? None? Just more white saviors, huh?
RE: Is the "Black wave" real? Does Kamala need to worry? Not at all. - Syne - Aug 23, 2024
Beginning at 1:17, Van Jones admits Kamala has a problem with black and Latino voters:
A black man telling you he doesn't need you to tell him how to think: