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Blacks sick of identity politics - Syne - Jul 28, 2024
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RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Magical Realist - Jul 28, 2024
The need for identity politics will go away when the mindset of identity bigotry goes away. IOW, when the whole need to classify people as inferior based on their racial, gender, ethnic, and sexual-orientation identities no longer exists to be fought against. Unfortunately thanks to the right that shows no signs of happening any time soon. In a time of oppression and discrimination, just being yourself becomes the most revolutionary act you can perform.
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Syne - Jul 28, 2024
The left are the primary perpetrators of classifying people as inferior nowadays.
They insist that blacks can't manage to get IDs, in order to vote.
They play white savior for minorities, as if those people cannot fight their own causes.
They make excuses for high crime and violence among minorities, as if they are incapable of behaving any better.
All of these view them as inferior.
At least any actual racists on the right view them as a legitimate threat, not just children to be coddled.
But I guess the black opinion in that video is too inferior for you to actually engage with.
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Magical Realist - Jul 28, 2024
That minority groups of people historically and economically and still systemically discriminated against and stereotyped and disadvantaged in our society are to be helped and advocated for is NOT viewing them as inherently inferior as the racist does. It is viewing them as oppressed and deprived of the rights and privileges the majority freely enjoys. It is saying: "we will make up for the disadvantages unjustly foisted upon you and lend you a helping hand so you will have an equal chance that others get without question." Claiming that helping the disadvantaged is itself a form of racism and bigotry is to deny the existence of racism and bigotry in our society that has disadvantaged them in the first place. It is thus a symptom of racism and bigotry itself to deny that they even exist.
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Syne - Jul 28, 2024
No, that literal means you think they're incapable of doing what you're doing for them, as their white saviors.
You can make up any excuses you like for your white superiority (systemic discrimination, stereotyping, disadvantage, etc.), but that doesn't make your actions any less superior... which literally requires them to be inferior. There's no other way you can "help and advocate for" them.
There's plenty of blacks and other minorities that have succeeded, specifically by rejecting your attempts to convince them they are oppressed and deprived. Leftists in education and politics make sure they know they're inferior, so you can play savior.
If I thought you would bother to educate yourself, I'd suggest listening/reading Thomas Sowell. But we all know little mooncalf is the epitome of low-information.
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - C C - Jul 28, 2024
Quote:https://youtu.be/5J5i5kAidtQ
VIDEO EXCERPT: I mean there was a lot of stuff that he said, but one of the things he touched on is that an informed voter is a dangerous voter for the Democrat Party.
A perfect example would be Chicago. I've showed you guys the videos of the Black folks there complaining about how the immigrants have come there and have been given everything,
Democrats have been running Chicago for maybe 80 years. They closed down some of the schools in the black areas, and told the Black folks we don't have the funds to continue to run these schools.
But as soon as the immigrants show up you open up those schools, and not only do you open those schools, you renovate them so that the immigrants -- the illegals -- can live there.
And some of them can go to school in the same building. But you didn't have the funds for the taxpaying Black folks that live in the area.
Now, why would you close down a school in a Black area? An informed voter is a dangerous voter, maybe?
When Chicago leaders acquire new underprivileged mascots, they slight the old ones? Surely not enough illegals yet for that to be permanent, even if they could vote. There's circa 800,000 Black citizens in the city compared to 43,000 migrants. But some of the former are upset over the special treatment of the latter -- there were scenes of that going into last year.
(July 9, 2024) Can noncitizens vote in Illinois? Depends on the election
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/can-noncitizens-vote-in-illinois-depends-on-the-election/
INTRO: The influx of migrants to Chicago and Illinois presents a potential voting bloc ahead of the 2024 election. Some politicians have tried to get them the vote. Others have tried to prevent it.
Illinois has about 425,000 noncitizens and Chicago 43,000 migrants, representing potential votes elected leaders either want or want to stop.
State Sen. Celina Villanueva, D-Chicago, in 2023 sponsored a bill that would have allowed noncitizens to vote in local school board elections. Evanston Ward 8 Ald. Devon Reid introduced an ordinance in late 2023 that would allow noncitizen residents with legal status, such as those with green cards, to vote in Evanston local elections.
Both of those efforts stalled. The same thing happened to an effort by six Illinois Senate members to ensure noncitizens would not be allowed to vote in local elections.
So what are the rules about noncitizens voting? It depends on the level of government. Here are the current rules...
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Magical Realist - Jul 28, 2024
Quote:No, that literal means you think they're incapable of doing what you're doing for them, as their white saviors.
Absolutely not. Enabling black kids to go to better schools and get grants for college and get better jobs for example is putting faith in them to be able to pull themselves up out of the mire they were unfairly planted in. It is the precise opposite of the racism of the right that claims that all their problems are innate and caused by their own inferiority and lack of motivation and irresponsibility and dumbness as members of the black race. It is to open a door where once all doors were shut, and counting on them to go thru it. How can anybody find fault with helping out the disadvantaged? With believing in all those society has long branded worthless and a total waste of time? Unless of course you are part of the very system intent on holding them down. Are you Syne?
Hey, here's a question.. Trump said immigrants are taking away black jobs. WTF did he mean by "black jobs"? I didn't know jobs had racial identity.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yFtdSV80qds
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Syne - Jul 28, 2024
If you wanted black kids to get better schooling, you'd agree with Republicans, and want school vouchers, stricter teacher evaluations, etc..
You're a dolt if you think most on the right believe as your little parody (and probably projecting more than a bit). Most believe that the failing is primarily cultural, and propagated by leftist propaganda. If you're raised being told you're oppressed and can never get ahead, many will not try. The left destroys their hopes and aspirations early in life. The failings of whites in Appalachia or trailer parks are cultural as well. I don't hear anyone claiming that's due to racism. But then, no whites are trying to be their superior saviors either. Believing anyone is inherently disadvantaged is the bigotry of low expectations. Many have succeeded without any white saviors. They just refused to believe what the left told them, that they couldn't do it on their own.
In many poorer or minority neighborhoods, entry level jobs in the retail and service industries are the first step in getting ahead. Unskilled jobs are, of course, the ones most taken by low-skill workers, regardless of race or country of origin. Creating more competition for those jobs, especially if you can get away with paying an illegal immigrant less, will hurt the poor in any community. It's not hard to understand, if you have half a brain. But I guess you'd rather illegal immigrants get the jobs that could help poor US citizens get out of poverty.
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Magical Realist - Jul 28, 2024
Quote:Most believe that the failing is primarily cultural, and propagated by leftist propaganda. If you're raised being told you're oppressed and can never get ahead, many will not try. The left destroys their hopes and aspirations early in life.
Only racists would see blacks as so impotent and without ambition that they would give up and become lazy if given chances to improve their lives. Once again you blame them for not being hardworking and self-disciplined enough to be able to use the opportunities given to them for their own benefit. Like they are mere dumb animals or children who are easily conditioned to become addicted to laziness and self-gratification if given things. The real root cause for their issues is simply racism and discrimination and the poverty they are born into. Not to mention the internalized racism learned from a society that constantly teaches you that you are lower and inferior. And helping them out of that is treating them as equals deserving of all the same things whites get without question.
RE: Blacks sick of identity politics - Syne - Jul 28, 2024
See, only you would assume that means anyone thinks of "blacks as so impotent and without ambition." To the contrary, many black men, having grown up being told they couldn't succeed, are ambitious enough to make lots of money selling drugs. It's not they're fault that they've been brainwashed into believing they can't do better because they're oppressed. It's the fault of gaslighting white saviors, like you, who've told them their whole lives.
You making up all this stuff I never even implied sure sounds like projection, from someone who actually thinks they are superior. You see, you believe they need you to give them the opportunities. You don't even believe they can create their own opportunities, like everyone else.
Honestly, you're saying more racist crap in that one post than a Klansman. I wouldn't even think of all those racist ideas, but they sure seem to come very easy to you.
Again, it's the leftists who control the culture who teach blacks that they are inferior. What else are they to think when leftists, like you, are constantly telling them how much they need your help... like they're some kind of invalid.
Helping them isn't treating them as equals unless you are equally helping everyone, including whites. See how that works? Your "help" is special treatment that literally tells them they need more help than others.