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Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds - C C - Jun 17, 2024
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv223z15mpmo
INTRO: Charles Darwin enjoys a near god-like status among scientists for his theory of evolution. But his ideas that animals are conscious in the same way humans are have long been shunned. Until now.
"There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery," Darwin wrote.
But his suggestion that animals think and feel was seen as scientific heresy among many, if not most animal behaviour experts.
Attributing consciousness to animals based on their responses was seen as a cardinal sin. The argument went that projecting human traits, feelings, and behaviours onto animals had no scientific basis and there was no way of testing what goes on in animals’ minds.
But if new evidence emerges of animals’ abilities to feel and process what is going on around them, could that mean they are, in fact, conscious? [...] Anyone looking for a eureka moment will be disappointed.
Instead, a steady growth of evidence for a rethink has led to murmurings among the researchers involved. Now, many want a change in scientific thinking in the field.
What has been discovered may not amount to conclusive proof of animal consciousness, but taken together, it is enough to suggest that there is "a realistic possibility" that animals are capable of consciousness, according to Prof Birch.
This applies not only to what are known as higher animals such as apes and dolphins who have reached a more advanced stage of development than other animals. It also applies to simpler creatures, such as snakes, octopuses, crabs, bees and possibly even fruit flies, according to the group, who want funding for more research to determine whether animals are conscious, and if so, to what extent.
But if you're wondering what we even mean by consciousness, you're not alone. It’s something scientists can’t even agree on... (MORE - details)
RE: Are animals conscious? How new research is changing minds - Magical Realist - Jun 18, 2024
Consciousness is unlikely an all or nothing property. Consciousness is analog not digital. Animals probably display varying degrees of consciousness all the way up to vivid self-awareness. We ourselves experience varying levels of consciousness thru out the day. Some vague and nebulous and others focused and deliberate. It's just insane to think that animals are all unconscious zombies.