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Idealism and the Veil of Illusion - Magical Realist - Aug 4, 2023 Is an idealism that concludes everything is just an illusion still an idealism? It seems to be a Buddhist concept. We are surrounded by the ten thousand things of separate existence (Maya or "deception") and must follow the path of ultimate oneness or Being (enlightenment). But if everything around us is just illusionary projections from our own minds, then the reality must simply be our own atman or higher Self that projects all this. Hence the core belief in a fundamental Being that we are part of and expressive of and not in a world that is falsely conjured by our minds. Hence Buddhism as an absolute realism? RE: Idealism and the Veil of Illusion - C C - Aug 6, 2023 Yazata's the expert on Buddhism. RE: Idealism and the Veil of Illusion - Secular Sanity - Aug 6, 2023 He's not very responsive. Might not even show up in this thread. I'll just toss in my two cents, if you don't mind. Well, that and little ChatGPT. No secret that I enjoyed Anil Seth's work. ChatGPT Wrote:Anil Seth's understanding of consciousness and the brain aligns more with Deleuze's concept of subjectivity rather than Buddhism's concept of anatta (non-self). RE: Idealism and the Veil of Illusion - Magical Realist - Aug 7, 2023 I stand corrected. Buddhism believes the self to be an illusion. So what does it believe to be real? Anything? Yazata? RE: Idealism and the Veil of Illusion - C C - Aug 7, 2023 (Aug 7, 2023 06:23 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: I stand corrected. Buddhism believes the self to be an illusion. So what does it believe to be real? Anything? Yazata? There are so many different schools of thought in Buddhism... It's maybe similar to asking what Western philosophy thinks about _X_, as if it only had one perspective. Reality in Buddhism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_in_Buddhism The Not-Self Doctrine (Mind in Indian Buddhism) https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mind-indian-buddhism/#1.1 Pudgalavada Buddhist Philosophy https://iep.utm.edu/pudgalavada-buddhist-philosophy/ Tiantai Buddhism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-tiantai/ Huayan Buddhism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-huayan/ Chan Buddhism https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-chan/ The Problem of Perception https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perception-problem/ Objects of Perception https://iep.utm.edu/perc-obj/ RE: Idealism and the Veil of Illusion - Magical Realist - Aug 7, 2023 Quote:There are so many different schools of thought in Buddhism... It's maybe similar to asking what Western philosophy thinks about _X_, as if it only had one perspective. Thanks CC! Such a beautifully complicated flowing together of different streams of thought. I hesitate, repressing my typically Western urge for one simple and quotable answer. At present I only know there is a great mystery to be entered into here, and one whose very solution perhaps lies infinitely beyond me. I return to what I experience and can vouch for-- of a mind and a reality that appear everywhere inseparable and yet opposite to each other. I am comfortable and "at home" again in my dualism, granted a temporary reprieve from the insatiable addiction to a single certain and livable truth. "The Tao that can be named is not the true Tao." |