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Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - Syne - Dec 30, 2022 https://www.dailywire.com/news/left-wing-groups-funded-climate-alarmism-journalism-claims-debunked-report
Five non-profit groups published a report Wednesday debunking mainstream media claims about the disastrous impacts of the so-called climate change crisis this year, which also included receiving millions of dollars to fund climate coverage. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - confused2 - Dec 30, 2022 Sea level is rising. Predicting extreme weather events are likely to become less unlikely is a slippery platform to stand on. Taking the example of the worst drought in 500 years - on the one hand it is unusual and on the other it's inevitable depending on how you choose to spin the story. Given the natural variation of weather it will take at least 500 hundred years to demonstrate weather is 'unusual' compared to (say) the previous 500 years so coal mines, SUV's and cheeseburgers aren't a problem. Meanwhile. Sea level is rising. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - Syne - Dec 30, 2022 There's no prediction involved. If 2022 monsoons were no worse than 1961, 2022 hurricanes were no worse than 1935, and 2022 drought no worse than 1540, it would stand to reason that between then and now there were lulls in carbon emissions...if those were the main culprit. "Within the range of natural variability" means that the record has yet to show anything alarming. After the ice age, the sea level rose more than 120 meters. Should we have been alarmed this whole time? RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - confused2 - Dec 31, 2022 (Dec 30, 2022 09:25 PM)Syne Wrote: There's no prediction involved. If 2022 monsoons were no worse than 1961, 2022 hurricanes were no worse than 1935, and 2022 drought no worse than 1540, it would stand to reason that between then and now there were lulls in carbon emissions...if those were the main culprit. "Within the range of natural variability" means that the record has yet to show anything alarming. I know Syne to be an honest reporter so I'm going to accept his evidence that there is no evidence of any increase of land or sea temperature in the vicinity of the United States. As an honest reporter from the UK I quote Quote:An updated analysis of the annual UK temperature records from the Met Office shows that since 1884 all of the UK’s ten warmest years have occurred since 2002; whereas none of the ten coldest years have occurred since 1963.More: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2019/state-of-the-uk-climate-2018 If it turns out that the UK Met. Office are using Leftist thermometers I hope it will be understood that I am myself being deceived without intent to deceive. The UK is a small country which can switch from Arctic to Tropical within a few hours - the significance of the quoted results is that (unlike US data) they don't conflict with other sources. With no 'global warming' in/around the US there can be no mechanism for thermally generated storms to become more frequent or intense and Syne's claim that any such suggestion is a Leftist conspiracy is entirely justified. If people have a problem with rising sea levels they can always buy houses on higher ground or copy the example of Holland which is almost entirely below sea level. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - Syne - Dec 31, 2022 I didn't say anything at all about any land or sea temperature increase. Pretending otherwise is dishonest, either intentionally or with yourself. If all the supposedly alarming weather events are linked to temperature, but none of these events are outside of the range of natural variability, why should we be worried about temperature? Again, if none of the ten coldest years have occurred since 1963, why was there a comparable drought all the way back in 1540? All the cars and carbon emissions? So if weather is still within the comparable range of history, temperature is just not a good metric of truly extreme or unprecedented weather. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - C C - Dec 31, 2022 (Dec 30, 2022 12:53 AM)Syne Wrote: https://www.dailywire.com/news/left-wing-groups-funded-climate-alarmism-journalism-claims-debunked-report And the AP itself proudly announced back in February that it and others had become receptive to "lobbying" and motivated journalism, in order to survive. Climate grant illustrates growth in philanthropy-funded news The issue of whether Climate Change is wholly human-caused or part of non-anthropogenic, irregular cycles -- or a combination of both, is independent of Climate Change being exploited to implement political agenda and commercial profit (greenwashing). If mainstream channels officially reported next week a legit menace of AI taking over the world being promoted by respected scientists, no doubt that would soon be cultivated to serve political and commercial group self-interests as well. With debate over whether it was real or fiction being a separate, parallel development unfolding over the months/years. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - confused2 - Dec 31, 2022 Quote:If all the supposedly alarming weather events are linked to temperature, but none of these events are outside of the range of natural variability, why should we be worried about temperature?I think you have it the wrong way round. It is temperature we should worry about - the weather will follow along as it pleases. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - Syne - Jan 1, 2023 Weather hasn't deviated from the natural range of variability yet. If weather is going to follow temperature....when? Next month, next year, next decade, next millennia? When will the alarmist predictions actually become unprecedented in human history? They haven't yet. So it's only the alarmists making prognostications. But it's completely to be expected that those making accusations about predictions would be the hypocrites actually making the predictions. If "it will take at least 500 hundred years to demonstrate," you can only take it on faith right now. Your own little apocalyptic myth. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - confused2 - Jan 1, 2023 ^^ Is "Everybody killed in storms" what worries Americans or is that what the leftist press are presenting as a threat? In the UK we treat the ten hottest years in recorded history as "not much to go on". What the hell is going on in America? Edit.. from an unedited post above.. I Wrote:The UK is a small country which can switch from Arctic to Tropical within a few hours - the significance of the quoted results [ten hottest years] is that (unlike US data) they don't conflict with other sources. RE: Left-Wing Groups Funded Climate Alarmism Journalism - Syne - Jan 1, 2023 We have Democrat politicians in Congress saying the world will literally end in 12 years, but polls show that most American's don't care. The ones who claim they do only do so to virtue-signal, like those who bought a Tesla to save the planet, but now they feel uncomfortable driving one because Elon Musk's politics don't seem to align with their own. Leftists don't really care about the things they claim to. They care about "looking like good people" or pushing their political agenda. Any people or causes they use to accomplish those ends are just tokens. |