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AWARE-II Near Death Experience study (mental health during NDE) - C C - Nov 9, 2022
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/aware-ii-near-death-experience-study/
EXCERPTS: . . . We only have preliminary reports of the data so far, which has not undergone peer-review or been published. The results will be presented at the American Heart Association’s Scientific Sessions 2022 taking place in Chicago on November 6. We do have some details from interviews with Sam Parnia, however.
“A key finding was the discovery of spikes of brain activity, including so-called gamma, delta, theta, alpha, and beta waves up to an hour into CPR.”
That’s interesting, and if anything supports the brain activity hypothesis. Reports that people are having NDEs while having no brain activity are not supported by data, for two reasons. The first is that there is no confirmation of when the memories formed. They could have formed anytime during the recovery period until the patient was fully awake.That is the reason Parnia wants to tie the experiences to the emergency room during CPR, to eliminate the possibility that the memories formed later. But he was unable to do that in AWARE and so far there is no mention of that in AWARE II. But you would have to couple evidence that the memories formed during CPR with convincing evidence for lack of brain activity at the same time. Finding spikes of brain activity during CPR would be strike two for the hypothesis that NDEs represent mental activity separate from brain activity.
[...] So – NDEs are likely just what the brain does in about 20% of cases during CPR. That is the simplest explanation of all the data. Trying to tease meaning out of the details of the experiences themselves is a slippery endeavor. Those memories are highly contaminated by the time they are reported, by nothing else than the culture in which they occur.
Most people now know what an NDE is supposed to be like, just like they know what an alien abduction is supposed to be like. This means that subjective reporting has to be taken with a grain of salt. What we need is hard evidence, and the hard evidence points to a brain phenomenon... (MORE - missing details)
RE: AWARE-II Near Death Experience study (mental health during NDE) - Kornee - Nov 9, 2022
It's not always down to dying brain fantasy constructions. I've probably relayed the following before, but anyway...
While at a friend's family gathering (relating to deceased father), one of his brothers casually recounted his OBE experience. While completely unconscious under gas anesthesia, for iirc a burst appendix operation, he experienced the 'classic' floating above his body and observing the details of the procedure. Including when a nurse tugged or pricked one toe evidently to confirm being out to it. And who was doing exactly what and in what order. His eyes were completely covered by an opaque mask during this time.
After coming too post opp, the staff were shocked at his notionally impossible *detailed* recounting of the events. Unlike my very religious friend, he was an atheist and put it all down to 'the amazing abilities of the brain'.
It was clear from the matter of fact tone of the conversation he was dead serious with no hint of making up a just so story to impress.
Impossible to be sure but I judged the account as an authentic experience faithfully relayed. The interpretation of what was actually going on a different matter.
There are of course many similar accounts on record. In my opinion he was for whatever reason given an accurate memory of events via some outside entity.
Along the same lines as some baffling accounts by 'reincarnation' experiencers.
The kind of things Think Anomalous catalog as par for the course.