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James E McDonald vs the 1968 official Condon Report - Kornee - Sep 23, 2022
https://noufors.com/Documents/scienceindefault.pdf
Science in Default:
Twenty-Two Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations
American Association for the Advancement of Science, 134th Meeting
General Symposium, Unidentified Flying Objects
James E. McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences
University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona
December 27, 1969
A testament to the dismissive 'nothing worth further investigation' attitudes prevailing in US military/intelligence circles, continued till very recently.
Equally damming of the same false claims of 'no good evidence after more than 70 years' parroted repeatedly over at the long running SF UFO thread we all know.
Regarding the first detailed case study, pp4-9:
Case 1. USAF RB-47, Gulf Coast area, September 19–20, 1957
I include a choice paragraph under the Discussion section:
"...Actually, various hypotheses (radar anomalies, mirage effects) are weighed in one part of the Condon Report
where this case is discussed separately (pp. 136–138). But the suggestion made there that perhaps an inversion near
2 km altitude was responsible for the returns at the Carswell GCI unit is wholly untenable. In an Appendix, a very
lengthy but non-relevant discussion of ground return from anomalous propagation appears; in fact, it is so unrelated
to the actual circumstances of this case as to warrant no comment here. Chase’s account emphasized that the GCI
radar(s) had his aircraft and the unknown object on-scope for a total flight-distance of the order of several hundred
miles, including a near overflight of the ground radar. With such wide variations in angles of incidence of the
ground-radar beam on any inversion or duct, however intense, the possibility of anomalous propagation effects
yielding a consistent pattern of spurious echo matching the reported movements and the appearances and
disappearances of the target is infinitesimal. And the more so in view of the simultaneous appearances and
disappearances on the ECM gear and via visible emissions from the unknown. To suggest, as is tentatively done on
p. 138 that the “red glow” might have been a “mirage of Oklahoma City,” when the pilot’s description of the
luminous source involves a wide range of viewing angles, including two instances when he was viewing it at quite
large depression angles, is wholly unreasonable. Unfortunately, that kind of casual ad hoc hypothesizing with almost
no attention to relevant physical considerations runs all through the case-discussions in the treatment of radar and
optical cases in the Condon Report, frequently (though not in this instance) being made the basis of “explanations”
that are merely absurd...."
The entire pdf document is worth reading. Contrast between dedication to truth vs biased agendas bent on culling inconvenient details not fitting a desired outcome and/or ideology.
RE: James E McDonald vs the 1968 official Condon Report - Kornee - Sep 24, 2022
Well, what gives? A casual check and the then working link given in OP, flagged anyway as 'unsafe', no longer works at all! That was quick!
So, here's another one that currently does get through:
http://kirkmcd.princeton.edu/JEMcDonald/mcdonald_aaas_69.pdf
(Yeah sorry about http only but the site owners never bothered to upgrade to https - much like the mod A-holes at SF can't be bothered - but in the latter case despite many requests to remedy - mine in particular.)
And....in breaking news....
The late Prince Philip's 'Royal X-Files' investigation could be released in the next few months:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/prince-philip-s-ufo-investigation-could-be-released-in-next-few-months/vi-AA129fty?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bb750b12de74431a85a1e5d4b0a4b7a9
By Jove - wouldn't that be absolutely spiffing?!
RE: James E McDonald vs the 1968 official Condon Report - C C - Sep 25, 2022
(Sep 24, 2022 07:34 AM)Kornee Wrote: [...] And....in breaking news....
The late Prince Philip's 'Royal X-Files' investigation could be released in the next few months:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/prince-philip-s-ufo-investigation-could-be-released-in-next-few-months/vi-AA129fty?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bb750b12de74431a85a1e5d4b0a4b7a9
By Jove - wouldn't that be absolutely spiffing?!
Here's his uncle's "investigative" report of the 1955 sighting by the bricklayer Frederick Briggs, that triggered the start of PP's interest:
Lord Mountbatten:UFO-file on the Broadlands incident (PDF)
https://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Lord-Mountbatten-Broadlands-UFO-File.pdf
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About the Broadland Archives itself:
The papers of the late Louis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma, and Edwina, Countess Mountbatten of Burma, form part of University of Southampton Library MS62, the Broadlands archives. The Mountbatten Papers are an archive of the first importance for the study of much of the twentieth century and they are also a collection of considerable size, containing approximately 250,000 papers, 50,000 photographs and quantities of recordings on audio-tape, film and video-tape.
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/archives/cataloguedatabases/mb/index.page
RE: James E McDonald vs the 1968 official Condon Report - Kornee - Sep 25, 2022
(Sep 25, 2022 05:18 AM)C C Wrote:Nice find. The forensics established that Briggs case beyond any reasonable doubt. A mysterious 3 foot gap in bicycle front wheel trail in melting snow, is the clincher.(Sep 24, 2022 07:34 AM)Kornee Wrote: [...] And....in breaking news....
The late Prince Philip's 'Royal X-Files' investigation could be released in the next few months:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/prince-philip-s-ufo-investigation-could-be-released-in-next-few-months/vi-AA129fty?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bb750b12de74431a85a1e5d4b0a4b7a9
By Jove - wouldn't that be absolutely spiffing?!
Here's his uncle's "investigative" report of the 1955 sighting by the bricklayer Frederick Briggs, that triggered the start of PP's interest:
Lord Mountbatten:UFO-file on the Broadlands incident (PDF)
https://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/Lord-Mountbatten-Broadlands-UFO-File.pdf
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About the Broadland Archives itself:
The papers of the late Louis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma, and Edwina, Countess Mountbatten of Burma, form part of University of Southampton Library MS62, the Broadlands archives. The Mountbatten Papers are an archive of the first importance for the study of much of the twentieth century and they are also a collection of considerable size, containing approximately 250,000 papers, 50,000 photographs and quantities of recordings on audio-tape, film and video-tape.
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/archives/cataloguedatabases/mb/index.page
But seriously the story is just par for the course in UFO lore. Weird is to be expected. Weird if it was not.
The only other link to UFOs in the Mountbatten archives I could suss out was a reference to one issue, July 1969, of UFO-centric Spacelink magazine:
https://archives.soton.ac.uk/search/all:records/0_50/rl1%3AMS62/score_desc/ufo