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The paradox of existential nihilism - Magical Realist - May 16, 2022 "Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no inherent meaning whatsoever, and that humanity, both in an individual sense and in a collective sense, has no purpose. That is to say: while objects have the capacity for purpose or meaning, there is no universal truth that guides this individual purpose. Thus, without a universal purpose, all meaning that objects could have does not exist, and the idea of any purpose or meaning attributed to something is untrue. If this is taken as a given, then existential nihilism holds that humans are compelled to make up meaning for themselves and others in the absence of a universal, unilateral meaning in order to spare themselves from the negativity surrounding the inevitability of death. Existential nihilism explores both the nature of this invention and the effectiveness of creating meaning for oneself and others, as well as whether the latter is even possible. It has received the most attention out of all forms of nihilism in both literary and popular media. Like metaphysical nihilism, existential nihilism stumbles when it comes to the nature of its conceptual existence. Common precursors to the paradox ask questions like Hegarty's,[1] implying that, if universal truth does not exist to give meaning to life and therefore nothing is objectively true, existential nihilist theory would be the universal truth that it claims does not exist. Thus, existential nihilism is at best an extremely flawed interpretation of the universe and at worst entirely untrue, as a theory which contends that nothing objective exists must necessarily then be subjective. In this case it is either untrue or has meaning, which would mean that there is a universal meaning (derived from the logical conclusion that the universal truth is nothingness) or even some meaning, which would be contrarian to the original claim."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_nihilism "If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."--- C.S.Lewis RE: The paradox of existential nihilism - Yazata - May 16, 2022 (May 16, 2022 07:28 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: "Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no inherent meaning whatsoever, and that humanity, both in an individual sense and in a collective sense, has no purpose. We probably should distinguish between local contextual purposes and grand cosmic purposes. Thus one can say that the physician is in the emergency room so as to fulfill the purpose of treating patients, while humanity as a whole or even individual people's lives don't have purpose in the sense that (some) religions have attributed divine purpose to humanity. Put another way, there isn't any goal for humanity's existence or even for particular people's existence, outside the context of purposes and goals that humans (collectively and individually) themselves give to whatever they are doing. (Actually I can't know that for a fact, but it's my working assumption. I don't know of any grand cosmic purposes nor do I know where they would come from.) Quote:That is to say: while objects have the capacity for purpose or meaning, there is no universal truth that guides this individual purpose. Yes. Quote:Thus, without a universal purpose, all meaning that objects could have does not exist, and the idea of any purpose or meaning attributed to something is untrue. I don't see how that follows. Just because my life doesn't seem to exist to fulfill any cosmic purpose doesn't imply that I can't have a purpose in mind when I pick up my scissors. Quote:If this is taken as a given, then existential nihilism holds that humans are compelled to make up meaning for themselves and others in the absence of a universal, unilateral meaning in order to spare themselves from the negativity surrounding the inevitability of death. Or maybe I pick up my scissors not in some vain attempt to escape the Sartrean "nausea" of existential meaninglessness, but merely because I want to cut something. Quote:Existential nihilism explores both the nature of this invention and the effectiveness of creating meaning for oneself and others, as well as whether the latter is even possible. It has received the most attention out of all forms of nihilism in both literary and popular media. It's like I've said repeatedly, many atheists seem to me like fundies with a bloody hole in their chest where their faith in God was torn out. As for me, I've never felt that I had any divine purpose and have never experienced the anguish of its loss. The "Death of God" simply elicits a shrug from me. Quote:Like metaphysical nihilism, existential nihilism stumbles when it comes to the nature of its conceptual existence. Common precursors to the paradox ask questions like Hegarty's,[1] implying that, if universal truth does not exist to give meaning to life and therefore nothing is objectively true If my life (or humanity in general) lacks some universal purpose, how do we leap from there to the conclusion that nothing can be objectively true? That looks like a non-sequitur to me. I don't know why objective states of affairs can't exist without the necessity of their fitting into some kind of cosmic story. I'm thoroughly convinced that a biological organism can objectively exist without its life serving to bring about the conclusion of some cosmic plot. Reality needn't be conceptualized as a novel, or even as divine history as set out in the Bible or wherever, where all events are pointing towards some divine eschatological conclusion at the end of time. (Even the ostensibly atheist Marx couldn't let go of that idea.) Quote:existential nihilist theory would be the universal truth that it claims does not exist. Thus, existential nihilism is at best an extremely flawed interpretation of the universe and at worst entirely untrue, as a theory which contends that nothing objective exists must necessarily then be subjective. So saying that humanity has no cosmic purpose is supposedly equivalent to attributing a cosmic purpose to humanity? I'm not convinced of that. Quote:"If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."--- C.S.Lewis Except that we do have purposes on the local/contextual level. My scissors are for cutting things, the emergency room physician is there to treat patients. We know what purposes are from the stories that we tell, from the purposes that we create in our our own lives and in our wider social contexts. The fact that we tell stories into which our own actions fit and that give our own actions meaning needn't suggest that there must be some (divine?) cosmic story that gives purpose and meaning to everything that exists/happens. RE: The paradox of existential nihilism - Magical Realist - May 17, 2022 I was an avid believer in religion up till around age 23. The universe and my life were brimming over with meaning and purpose. I was the darling object of God's love, consumed with the drama of Jesus's love for humanity and his imminent return to earth to take his chosen ones home with him. I faithfully devoted myself to the principles of godly living and enjoyed all the emotional rewards, as well as liabilities, of having a cosmic context to everything I did. When I transitioned into philosophy and agnosticism, almost unnoticeably did I find myself in a new universe where not so much mattered any more. I could pursue my desires to my heart's content and there was noone I was betraying or sinning against. I see this as a mentally healthy mindset. The universe really does NOT revolve around me, and this liberating contingency allowed me to pursue numerous other worldviews and ideals without hesitation or guilt. There may not be any cosmic context or plot behind my life anymore, but I am no less enraptured by the adventure of living in the awesome mystery of it all. While I pay the price of an involuntary nihilism, I nevertheless reap the reward of a free and open encounter with a reality permeated with possibilities and mind-boggling wonders. Sartre nailed it: we are thrown into the nothingness of our being, bearing sole responsibility for making our lives meaningful. “We must be free for the truth; and conversely, to be able to be open toward the truth may be our deepest freedom as human creatures.” ― William Barrett, The Illusion of Technique: A Search for Meaning in a Technological Civilization RE: The paradox of existential nihilism - C C - May 17, 2022 (May 16, 2022 07:28 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: "Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no inherent meaning whatsoever, and that humanity, both in an individual sense and in a collective sense, has no purpose..." "Objective purpose" would just be another form of determinism, anyway, and conflict with free will. (Latter from the standpoint of the incompatibilism orientations, anyway. Which usually dominate the discussion landscape, like it or not.) Sartre: "Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does." --Being And Nothingness (1943) But existentialism conflicts with the determinism of Marxism. Sartre actually always had one foot in the latter, before committing both feet during the 1950s, and the climax of that with 1960's Critique of Dialectical Reason. So we come to another paradox (inconsistency), of combining existentialism with Marxism: Sartre: Existentialism and Marxism RE: The paradox of existential nihilism - Magical Realist - May 18, 2022 “We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn't. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing.” ― Charles Bukowski RE: The paradox of existential nihilism - Magical Realist - May 20, 2022 “Built to be lonely to love the absent. Find me Free me from this corrosive doubt futile despair horror in repose. I can fill my space fill my time but nothing can fill this void in my heart.” ― Sarah Kane, 4.48 Psychosis RE: The paradox of existential nihilism - Leigha - Jun 20, 2022 Interesting. One could say though (as a counter to this argument) that life isn't ''nothing,'' and so there must be something to it. And if there's something to life, then it can't be entirely meaningless, but that may not have anything to do with purpose for those who consider themselves nihilists. |