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I don't agree with the last sentence in terms of specifics. They do both class as "governments" with qualifying general properties, just as their conventional citizens categorize as humans with basic needs in common.

I lean in agreement with you, CC. I think it's a bit too vague on her part, to wholeheartedly agree with, although she makes good points. But, it opens up a conversation - ''we have more in common than we don't,'' kind of thing.

Interestingly, when she was growing up, she recalls her parents fighting against the Muslim fundamentalist regime. I don't get the sense that she's Muslim, she self-identifies as a secularist. She left Iran to pursue her own dreams. Sometimes, I wonder why some leave and some choose to stay, in such an oppressive culture? She came from a working, middle class family, so it's not like her parents' fortune could afford to send her off to explore the world.

On the surface, it does seem a strange thing to divide humans from the social structures they use to organise themselves. Humans are social creatures, and an irrevocable part of not only the individual's identity and ideals but also maintenance arises from family, society and governance.

So naturally when people are pissed off with their friends/family/society, they expeditiously allude to a perfect world bereft of friends/family/society being, but it's just wistful thinking in the heat of the moment.