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https://phys.org/news/2019-08-shot-polic...k-men.html

EXCERPT: About 1 in 1,000 black men and boys in America can expect to die at the hands of police, according to a new analysis of deaths involving law enforcement officers. That makes them 2.5 times more likely than white men and boys to die during an encounter with cops. The analysis also showed that Latino men and boys, black women and girls and Native American men, women and children are also killed by police at higher rates than their white peers. But the vulnerability of black males was particularly striking.

"That 1-in-1,000 number struck us as quite high," said study leader Frank Edwards, a sociologist at Rutgers University. "That's better odds of being killed by police than you have of winning a lot of scratch-off lottery games." The number-crunching by Edwards and his coauthors also revealed that for all young men, police violence was one of the leading causes of death in the years 2013 to 2018.

The findings, published this month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, add hard numbers to a pattern personified by victims like Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and Freddie Gray.

[...] Scientists, meanwhile, are increasingly studying police violence as a public health problem whose long-term harms radiate far beyond the original victim. "It can have these toxic effects on communities, in terms of both their physical and mental health," Edwards said. A study published in the Lancet last year found that police killings of unarmed black men were associated with an increase in mental health problems such as depression and emotional issues for black people living in the state where the killing took place... (MORE - details)
Bullshit. This "study" can't even decide if it means "1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police" or "black men face about a 1 in 1,000 chance of being killed by police over the life course". Those are two very different things, which leads me to believe that they are intentionally misconstruing their own data...or just morons.

And you can't tell me more black men are killed by police that by other black men. Yes, as a percent of their population, minorities do have higher chances of being killed by cops than whites. But that's only because the white population is so much larger and blacks tend to live in especially crime-ridden areas, where interactions with police are much more frequent.

This "study" is agenda, not science.
Looked hi & lo for stats on black criminals shooting white cops but no luck. All my Google enquiries using my mobile end up with the blacks shot by white cops 'agenda' articles. WTF?
The following numbers come from Bureau of Justice Statistics - Homicide Trends in the United States 2010.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

Homicide in the United States is overwhelmingly intra-racial. During the 1976-2005 period, 94% of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks. 86% of white victims were killed by other whites. (source p. 66)

During the period 1976-2005, 59.3% of all homicide murder offenders in the US were black. (Blacks are only about 12% of the total population.) 56.4% of all gun homicides had black offenders. (source: p. 62)

In 2005, the homicide offender rate for whites was 3.5 per 100,000. For blacks it was 26.5 per 100,000. (source: p. 63) It should probably be remembered that Hispanics aren't being separated out as a distinct race in these statistics. (They are a linguistic and in some cases a cultural grouping, not a race.) Most of them are being lumped in with whites. If the huge barrio and migrant populations were separated out, I suspect that the white rate would be considerably lower than 3.5.

These considerations are important when people are comparing murder rates in the US and Europe, and condemning American culture in favor of European. In reality, white American murder rates are roughly comparable with European murder rates. It's the much higher rates in the black American population that are primarily responsible for pushing the overall American rates upwards. And now that Europe has started accepting literally millions of culturally unassimilable 'migrants', we have seen European urban crime rates starting to spike as well.

A disproportionate number of homicides in the United States are committed by young males between 18 and 24. Regarding young black males, the BJS writes (highlighting by me)

"For young black males, their proportion of the population has remained at about 1%... After 1993, their proportion of homicide victims declined slightly before stabilizing in recent years. Their proportion of homicide offenders increased rapidly from the mid 1980's to the early 1990's and then declined slightly remaining at over one quarter of all offenders." (source: p. 78)

Regarding rates, young white males 18-24 had a homicide offender rate in 2005 of 22.4 per 100k. Black males 18-24 had a homicide offender rate of 203.3 per 100k. In other words, even in their most violent years, young white males only approach the homicide rates of the black population as a whole. The rate for young blacks, the 1% of the US population who are responsible for more than 1/4 of its homicides, approaches the murder rates in the most dangerous places in the third-world.

Regarding justifiable homicides, including homicides by police, these are relatively infrequent. In 2005 there were 535 homicides ruled justifiable. Of these, 343 were by police. (source p. 173) This out of 16,692 homicides in 2005. (source p. 9)

Justifiable homicides resemble all homicides in that most often they are intra-racial. The BJS writes:

"In incidents involving citizens, three-quarters involved citizens and felons of the same race. In incidents involving police, two-thirds involved police officers and felons of the same race." (source: p. 174)

59% of the police-officer involved justifiable homicides involved the officers killing a white. 39% involved killing a black. (source: p. 174)

39% of 343 is 134. 134 deaths doesn't constitute a "leading cause of death for black men in America". Not compared to young-black-males murdering other young black males.
(Aug 20, 2019 01:37 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]Looked hi & lo for stats on black criminals shooting white cops but no luck. All my Google enquiries using my mobile end up with the blacks shot by white cops 'agenda' articles. WTF?


(2015) Are black or white offenders more likely to kill police?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...edirect=on

EXCERPT: . . . There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black. [...] From 1980 to 2013, there were 2,269 officers killed in felonious incidents, and 2,896 offenders. The racial breakdown of offenders over the 33-year period was on par with the 10-year period: 52 percent were white, and 41 percent were black.

[...] The FBI began collecting the ethnicity of victims and offenders in 2011, and ethnicities from 2011 to 2013 are not yet reflected in this database. The FBI’s race categories are: white, black, Asian/Pacific Islander, American Indian/Alaska Native, Not Reported and Unknown. The FBI could not confirm whether Hispanic or Latino offenders were included in the count before 2011.

The black population in America ranged from 11.6 percent to 13 percent between 1980 to 2013. Compared to that percentage in the population, the percentage of black offenders who killed police officers appears to be disproportionately high. But blacks tend to be concentrated in the South and in cities; some large urban areas, such as Detroit, have majority African American populations. About 51 percent of police killings were in cities and counties with a population of less than 250,000.

The FBI distinguishes the types of felonious incidents, so we looked further into ambushes, which include entrapment, premeditated attacks and unprovoked attacks. Many of the ambushes are the types of attacks [...] incited by anger and hatred toward police. They include former Los Angeles Police Department officer Christopher Dorner’s rampage in 2013 to kill LAPD officers and their families, sniper attacks on officers standing outside their homes or barracks, point-blank assassination-style shootings of officers in a restaurant, coffee shop or patrol car, and attacks by “sovereign citizens” or members of militia groups.

There were 304 officers killed in ambush attacks from 1980 to 2013, with 371 offenders involved in those deaths. The percentage of black and white offenders in ambushes were about the same: 44 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.

Law enforcement fatalities have been declining since the 1970s. Felonious deaths also have declined since that time: Nearly 140 officers died in felonious incidents in 1973; in 2013, 27 officers were killed in felonious incidents. Ambushes accounted for 21.7 percent of felonious deaths from 2004 to 2013.

The Fact Checker’s analysis has limitations. There is no ethnic breakdown in the FBI data, and it is unclear whether Hispanic or Latino offenders were included in the white category, the unknown category, or elsewhere. There is not enough information on each officer’s death and circumstance to understand what motivated the killings — who killed whom why, and whether there are identifiable trends. Those details would provide useful context — for example, how “sovereign citizen” attacks compare to members of gangs targeting police. But that is not readily available, other than manually cross-checking the 2,000-plus officer deaths through news clips, booking documents and other sources. The FBI provided the database without personally-identifiable information.

More white offenders than black offenders killed police between 1980 and 2013. Police officers were killed in ambush attacks by just as many black offenders as white offenders in the past three decades. There are no simple conclusions or trends that can be gleaned from the database alone, but it provides context that based on the raw numbers, officers are no more likely to be killed by black offenders than white offenders.