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EXCERPT: Mathematicians, computer engineers and scientists in related fields should take a Hippocratic oath to protect the public from powerful new technologies under development in laboratories and tech firms, a leading researcher has said. The ethical pledge would commit scientists to think deeply about the possible applications of their work and compel them to pursue only those that, at the least, do no harm to society.

Hannah Fry [...] said an equivalent of the doctor’s oath was crucial given that mathematicians and computer engineers were building the tech that would shape society’s future. “We need a Hippocratic oath in the same way it exists for medicine,” Fry said. “In medicine, you learn about ethics from day one. In mathematics, it’s a bolt-on at best. It has to be there from day one and at the forefront of your mind in every step you take.”

Fry will explore the power and perils of modern mathematics in December [2019] when she delivers [...] the three-lecture series, Secrets and Lies: the Hidden Power of Mathematics, Fry will examine the maths of risk and luck ... She will also explore how algorithms that feast on data have infiltrated every aspect of our lives; what problems maths should be kept away from; and how we must learn when the numbers cannot be trusted.

Fry said she got a sense of the ethical blindspots scientists can have while describing to an academic conference in Berlin the computer modelling of the 2011 riots she had done for the Metropolitan police. The audience, which understood the realities of a police state, heckled her from their seats. When Fry returned to London, she realised how mathematicians, computer engineers and physicists are so used to working on abstract problems that they rarely stop to consider the ethics of how their work might be used.

The issue has become urgent now that researchers are building systems that gather and sell personal data, exploit human frailties, and take on life-or-death decisions. “We’ve got all these tech companies filled with very young, very inexperienced, often white boys who have lived in maths departments and computer science departments,” Fry said. “They have never been asked to think about ethics, they have never been asked to consider how other people’s perspectives of life might be different to theirs, and ultimately these are the people who are designing the future for all of us.”

The case for a Hippocratic oath for scientists has been made before, including by the philosopher Karl Popper, who wrote in 1969: “One of the few things we can do is to try to keep alive, in all scientists, the consciousness of their responsibility.” (MORE - details)
(Aug 17, 2019 07:58 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]EXCERPT: Mathematicians, computer engineers and scientists in related fields should take a Hippocratic oath to protect the public from powerful new technologies under development in laboratories and tech firms, a leading researcher has said. The ethical pledge would commit scientists to think deeply about the possible applications of their work and compel them to pursue only those that, at the least, do no harm to society.

Hannah Fry [...] said an equivalent of the doctor’s oath was crucial given that mathematicians and computer engineers were building the tech that would shape society’s future. “We need a Hippocratic oath in the same way it exists for medicine,” Fry said. “In medicine, you learn about ethics from day one. In mathematics, it’s a bolt-on at best. It has to be there from day one and at the forefront of your mind in every step you take.”

It's probably a mistake to conflate science and medicine in this way.  The modern Hippocratic Oath deals primarily with a physician's responsibilities to their patient, and that may not always be the best thing to do for society as a whole.  (Prescribing vancomycin and methicillin is a simple example.)  Also, there's no one oath; the original one contains gems about never performing abortions and never teaching non-medical people anything about medicine, so almost no one uses that one any more.

You could come up with a different oath, though, that made more sense for scientists.
(Aug 18, 2019 04:14 AM)billvon Wrote: [ -> ]It's probably a mistake to conflate science and medicine in this way.  The modern Hippocratic Oath deals primarily with a physician's responsibilities to their patient, and that may not always be the best thing to do for society as a whole.  (Prescribing vancomycin and methicillin is a simple example.)  Also, there's no one oath; the original one contains gems about never performing abortions and never teaching non-medical people anything about medicine, so almost no one uses that one any more.

You could come up with a different oath, though, that made more sense for scientists.

Be careful. You start mixing science and the medical Hippocratic Oath and you'll be forced to bring back the proscription against abortion. Science clearly and unambiguously defines an unborn fetus as human life.