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The two sets of ideals [Left, Liberalism] are different, and come from two entirely different worldviews. The core divergence in these worldviews is in their beliefs about the nature of contemporary political and economic institutions. The difference here is not “how quickly these institutions should change,” but whether changes to them should be fundamental structural changes or not. The leftist sees capitalism as a horror, and believes that so long as money and profit rule the earth, human beings will be made miserable and will destroy themselves. The liberal does not actually believe this. Rather, the liberal believes that while there are problems with capitalism, it can be salvaged if given a few tweaks here and there. As Nancy Pelosi said of the present Democratic party: “We’re capitalist.” When Bernie Sanders is asked if he is a capitalist, he answers flatly: “No.” Sanders is a socialist, and socialism is not capitalism, and there is no possibility of healing the ideological rift between the two. Liberals believe that the economic and political system is a machine that has broken down and needs fixing. Leftists believe that the machine is not “broken.” Rather, it is working perfectly well; the problem is that it is a death machine designed to chew up human lives. You don’t fix the death machine, you smash it to bits. --The Difference Between Liberalism & Leftism

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Classical Liberalism (Economic liberalism)
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/#ClaLib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

New Liberalism (AKA progressive or Social Liberalism)
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/#NewLib

Liberalism in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism...ted_States

Jewish Left slash Jewish Socialist & Labor movements --> disenchantment(US) --> Neoconservatism

Trotskyism, Communist Party --> disenchantment --> New Left (retro)

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I once tried to explain to a Bernie Sanders supporter why I was a Hillary supporter. I said it's a difference between economic justice and social justice. I was a proponent of social justice and the equality of all humanity under the law. She was a proponent of anti-capitalism and the equal distribution of wealth. I guess that's the difference between leftist and liberal.

Social justice is not a liberal ideal, as justice meted out according to group identity will always end up being unjust to the individual...the focus of liberalism.