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"This week I came across the Sir Noface documentary currently touring America. Led by Chad Calek, a well-known paranormal investigator and filmmaker, the documentary claims to provide definitive proof of ghosts – in the form of a full apparition appearing on camera. As always I remain sceptical of this claim, particularly following the commercialised manner in which it appears to be being presented to the public – sell out tours including a range of ticket packages, a documentary film which I am sure will come with a price tag, merchandise etc. Surely, one would assume, if you had dedicated your life to paranormal research and you truly believe you have finally found proof of ghosts you would share far and wide? Open up the footage to further analysis? Invite other researchers and scientists along to discuss the merit and implications of such a find? Furthermore, the recent claim by Most Haunted to have captured a ghost on camera – which looks suspiciously like a poor attempt at a video overlay of Stuart accompanied by some pretty terrible acting – has left a sour taste for such claims. I do, however, like to remain open-minded and I can’t help but feel curious both about the footage itself, and why it is being revealed the way that it is…

It did get me thinking though – what if it was real? What if after all these years someone finally did have unequivocal evidence that ghosts exist? In the world of paranormal research we are often pre-occupied with the question – “do ghosts exist?”. However, we rarely stop to think what would happen if they do, and I think it is worth some thought.

So let’s pretend for a moment that proof is finally presented that ghosts, that is spirits of the dead, are real. What might it mean for…"

Sidney audience reaction to Sir NoFace ghost footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhJ4gD2Cwo

Curious that what that would do to physics, or to worldviews falling out of a scientific mindset, is not specifically broached. Though arguably subsumed under "I am sure there would be plenty more questions and implications of ghosts existing....".

Andrew Griffin: If ghosts existed, then they would need to be made purely of energy, since by their very definition they can't be made of matter. But if they were made only of energy, they would quickly dissipate, because the second law of thermodynamics proposes that energy is always lost to heat. The only way that they would be able to avoid that would be to have an incoming source of their own spooky energy. But there is nothing to account for that in the standard model of physics or anything we've seen in the particle accelerator.

"If we want some sort of pattern that carries information about our living cells to persist then we must specify precisely what medium carries that pattern and how it interacts with the matter particles out of which our bodies are made," he said in a special edition of his podcast The Infinite Monkey Cage that focused on the paranormal. "We must, in other words, invent an extension to the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has escaped detection at the Large Hadron Collider. That’s almost inconceivable at the energy scales typical of the particle interactions in our bodies."

Guest Neil deGrasse Tyson checked whether Professor Cox was really claiming that the particle accelerator had actually disproved the existence of supernatural spirits.

“If I understand what you just declared, you just asserted that CERN, the European Center for Nuclear Research, disproved the existence of ghosts,” he asked. "Yes," replied Professor Cox.

Ghosts definitely don't exist because otherwise the Large Hadron Collider would have found them, claims Brian Cox

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Strangely enough Brian Cox's argument against ghosts also rules out consciousness, dark matter, strings and mbranes, gravity, dark energy, light, magnetism, and all sorts of phenomena not detectable as particles of matter. Which raises the possibilities for the curious medium by which ghosts subsist. One thing ghosts are known for is sapping the ambient heat from the air and the voltage from batteries, emf, and human bodies to increase their energy. It's not so much that the ghost themselves are made of energy. They simply need it as a medium thru which to interact with matter and humans.

I hope like Hell that MR gets his ghosts proven one day. Same for all the other unproven entities. You'd think there would be a lot of folks simply tired of believing. Must be more fun being dead. You get to do some crazy stuff without having to worry about getting killed over it.

I'm not really counting on science to accept the existence of ghosts. They pretty much have to not believe in them otherwise this brings in aspects of reality their theories can't address. I'm totally content to live in a world where the paranormal happens occasionally. Ghosts are actually quite rare and it's unlikely one will ever haunt you in your house. But if ghosts can exist, what else can be true? It's this "what else" that thrills me about reality, chock full of mysteries and surprises we don't even suspect yet.