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(Oct 11, 2016 04:45 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]One more time: Do you believe the mind can play tricks on you?

No I don't.

(Oct 11, 2016 04:33 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:I'm not the one wanting people to believe things only I've witnessed.

I don't care what you believe panentheist. I'm just posting accounts of people's own experiences. If that upsets you go to another thread.

Is panentheist a dirty word? LOL. I'm not asking anyone to believe what I do, and I'm not the one sounding upset either. I'm sure there are dedicated ghost forums if you're seeking an echo chamber.

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Quote:I find it difficult to believe that cops, security guards, working mothers, and bar workers are mentally ill if they are still holding a job.

Argument from incredulity.

(Oct 11, 2016 04:51 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

(Oct 11, 2016 04:45 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]One more time: Do you believe the mind can play tricks on you?

No I don't.

That means you would be skeptical of those who do?

(Oct 11, 2016 04:53 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]

(Oct 11, 2016 04:51 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

(Oct 11, 2016 04:45 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]One more time: Do you believe the mind can play tricks on you?

No I don't.

That means you would be skeptical of those who do?

Skeptical of those who believe the mind can play tricks? No.

Ah, a mind so open...it has spilled out.

Having doubts or reservations about something is being skeptical.

MR, If I was to approach you with scientific evidence confirming our minds play tricks on us, what would you do?

I don't think you're a stupid guy/gal and both of us know that trying to defend against overwhelming scientific evidence is a fool's game. You know that evidence supporting mind trickery is out there, yet you would choose to disbelieve it? Why are you on a science forum?

Quote:I don't think you're a stupid guy/gal and both of us know that trying to defend against overwhelming scientific evidence is a fool's game. You know that evidence supporting mind trickery is out there, yet you would choose to disbelieve it? Why are you on a science forum?

You'd have to prove with evidence that the people who saw and experienced these paranormal events were hallucinating somehow. And I don't see that happening. There's way too many experiences of the paranormal to be dismissed as mind tricks. It is a real phenomenon.

(Oct 11, 2016 05:19 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]You'd have to prove with evidence that the people who saw and experienced these paranormal events were hallucinating somehow. And I don't see that happening. There's way too many experiences of the paranormal to be dismissed as mind tricks.

This is called "shifting the burden of proof", where you take some belief of yours and demand that others prove you wrong when the burden for your belief rest on you. This is either lazy or intellectually dishonest.

(Oct 11, 2016 05:25 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]

(Oct 11, 2016 05:19 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]You'd have to prove with evidence that the people who saw and experienced these paranormal events were hallucinating somehow. And I don't see that happening. There's way too many experiences of the paranormal to be dismissed as mind tricks.

This is called "shifting the burden of proof", where you take some belief of yours and demand that others prove you wrong when the burden for your belief rest on you. This is either lazy or intellectually dishonest.

It's not a belief. It's eyewitness accounts of the paranormal. Belief has nothing to do with it.

(Oct 11, 2016 05:35 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

(Oct 11, 2016 05:25 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]This is called "shifting the burden of proof", where you take some belief of yours and demand that others prove you wrong when the burden for your belief rest on you. This is either lazy or intellectually dishonest.

It's not a belief. It's eyewitness accounts of the paranormal. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Unless you are the eyewitness, it is your belief that they may be credible.