RANDOMLY GENERATED APOLOGIES:
"But, but... It's not a military hazing ritual. There's a conspiracy to be uncovered."
"But, but.. We need to be epistemologically inclusive. Anecdotes and personal accounts / interpretations are important knowledge sources in some non-Western cultures. In general, the white supremacist establishment needs to expand beyond its narrow, biased boundaries." (
Tribal critical race theory focuses on stories and values oral data as a primary source of information)
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Wasting money on UAPs
https://ddowdmuska.substack.com/p/wastin...-on-little
EXCERPTS: Will no one rid American taxpayers of the embarrassing farce that is the federal government’s pursuit of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP)?
For almost a decade, D.C.’s executive and legislative branches have squandered time and revenue on what used to be called unidentified aerial phenomena - and before that, unidentified flying objects. Along the way, more than a few people who should know better have lost their minds about aliens. (Or are they time travelers? Or interdimensional beings?)
[...] Solemnity notwithstanding, as an anonymous online critic explains, the council appears to be violating the Federal Advisory Committee Act. Signed by Richard Nixon, the statute “is clear: if the U.S. Government establishes or utilizes an outside group of experts for purposes of giving collective advice or recommendations,” it “must file a charter, adhere to open-meeting and public access requirements, announce its meetings via the Federal Register at least 15 days prior to each, and have a Designated Federal Official responsible for it.” In their rush to attain “a new understanding of our cosmic neighborhood,” Loeb et al. don’t seem to have pondered whether their “work” breaks the law.
Aw, who cares about the small stuff, when there’s extraterrestrials to be found? That’s been Washington’s posture since the dawn of the UAP imbroglio. The silliness started nearly nine years ago, amidst the holidays... (
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Yeah, if people are that interested in UAPs, fund the investigation yourselves. Quit playing stupid games with other people's money.
Quote:Will no one rid American taxpayers of the embarrassing farce that is the federal government’s pursuit of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP)?
Whew! I smell the upwind stench of an ideological skeptic. Nobody who has seriously and unbiasedly examined the evidence is able to dismiss this phenomenon as a "farce" as well as NOT in our national security interests. The implications of such a discovery as a non-human and advanced intelligence interacting with the human species would completely change the rules of the game on a global level, despite its alleged waste of tax dollars by a govt already spending trillions just to bomb brown people.
That's the smell of your own ideological projection.
(Sep 22, 2026 08:31 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, if people are that interested in UAPs, fund the investigation yourselves. Quit playing stupid games with other people's money.
"UAP research relies on private donations, non-profit organizations, and philanthropy to bypass academic stigma and the lack of traditional federal science grants.
Major Private Initiatives
The Galileo Project: Led by Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb and funded by private donations, this university-based project aims to bring a systematic, scientific approach to searching for extraterrestrial technological artifacts, building dedicated observatories and conducting ocean expeditions.
UAPx: A non-profit scientific research organization composed of scientists and engineers (including collaborations with academic physicists from institutions like UAlbany) that deploys civilian sensor suites, infrared imaging, and radar to study anomalous phenomena in the field.
The Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU): An organization of scientists, engineers, and academics who conduct and publish rigorous, peer-reviewed research on UAP events independently of government oversight.
National UFO/UAP Research Institutes: Private international groups, such as Australia's NHIR Institute, fund independent civilian field expeditions, archival recovery projects, and scientific measurement initiatives."
UAP Spending Overview
The exact total of taxpayer money currently spent on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) investigations is not publicly disclosed or clearly itemized, though historical programs and current offices give a partial picture.
✅ Known Official Expenditures
AATIP (2007–2012): The Pentagon spent $22 million total on the secret Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
AARO (Current): The All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office handles official military UAP tracking, but its specific operational budget is folded into wider Department of Defense (DoD) intelligence and defense accounts rather than broken out as a standalone public line item.
⚠️ Allegations of Secret Spending
Whistleblower Claims: Former intelligence officer David Grusch alleged that unacknowledged "slush funds" worth billions of dollars annually are hidden from normal congressional oversight.
Congressional Frustration: Lawmakers frequently state that the exact figures remain obscured within the massive multi-hundred-billion-dollar defense budget.
That known $22 million was managed by Robert Bigelow, a UFO and parapsychological nutter.
So the fuck what? Why shouldn't we be spending money on research into a phenomenon that would be the biggest discovery in human history?
(Sep 22, 2026 10:54 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]So the fuck what? Why shouldn't we be spending money on research into a phenomenon that would be the biggest discovery in human history?
The glitch in this reasoning is that it can justify anything without consideration of some body of evidence that there's something to investigate. I can duplicate your argument to plead the case for allocating funds to research leprechauns. Discovering leprechauns, another sentient species sharing our planet and possessing supernatural power, would also be the biggest yata yata yata.
And defending kooks like Robert Bigelow is not a good hill to die on IMO.
(Sep 22, 2026 10:54 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]So the fuck what? Why shouldn't we be spending money on research into a phenomenon that would be the biggest discovery in human history?
Why shouldn't we spend money to build a larger military, for national security?
Why shouldn't we spend more money on deportations, for national security?
Why shouldn't we spend more money stopping abortions, for a sustainable population?
Politicizing taxpayer spending goes both ways.
(Sep 22, 2026 11:04 PM)TheVat Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep 22, 2026 10:54 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]So the fuck what? Why shouldn't we be spending money on research into a phenomenon that would be the biggest discovery in human history?
The glitch in this reasoning is that it can justify anything without consideration of some body of evidence that there's something to investigate. I can duplicate your argument to plead the case for allocating funds to research leprechauns. Discovering leprechauns, another sentient species sharing our planet and possessing supernatural power, would also be the biggest yata yata yata.
And defending kooks like Robert Bigelow is not a good hill to die on IMO.
^This.
Quote:The glitch in this reasoning is that it can justify anything without consideration of some body of evidence that there's something to investigate. I can duplicate your argument to plead the case for allocating funds to research leprechauns. Discovering leprechauns, another sentient species sharing our planet and possessing supernatural power, would also be the biggest yata yata yata.
Except you'd have to be living under a rock to claim there's no body of evidence for UAPs. The very fact that the Pentagon has released 6 tranches of hundreds of UAP videos/accounts over the past few months exposes your false equivalence of UAPs to leprechauns. Ofcourse we all know ideological skeptics like you wake up every morning in a new world where no evidence of uaps has ever turned up. It's all part and parcel of your pseudo-scientific denialism--to just pretend you're ignorant of everything that's out there so you can keep mocking it like a 12 year old delinquent.
"The problem and opportunity that we face today is that the situation has changed dramatically," according to the authors. We now know that the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) conducted a covert, six-year program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) to study UAP. With 50 full-time investigators, the AATIP dwarfed other UAP efforts.
The AATIP focused on military-only encounters and considered things like psychic and paranormal phenomena correlated with UAP events. The AATIP created a massive amount of data on UAP that encompassed more than 200,00 cases. (Alarmingly, the effort also produced more than 200 research papers, some over 100 pages long, and none of them have ever been seen by the public or by the US Congress.)
This proves that the effort to study and understand UAP has gained traction and moved from the fringe to the mainstream. It's a signal that UAP research could see increased funding and resources. According to the researchers, that means there needs to be a coordinated effort. The effort needs to be scientific, and data needs to be shared among researchers..."----
https://phys.org/news/2025-02-actual-sci...e_vignette
Quote:Why shouldn't we spend money to build a larger military, for national security?
Why shouldn't we spend more money on deportations, for national security?
Why shouldn't we spend more money stopping abortions, for a sustainable population?
We do. It's all included in the Federal govt's roughly 5 trillion dollars of taxpayer money. Welcome to our Federalist Republic.