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Only in the extremely moralistic worldviews of religion and political conservatism do we find inherent evil story characters like demons, monsters, perverts, sinners, hedonists, commies, terrorists, lunatics, freeloaders, dissidents, hypocrites, elitists, snowflakes, mind-controllers, and brazen traitors. They are basically collectively-evolved and self-propagating belief systems that twist the healthy and natural human mind into all sorts of entirely-projected abstract stereotypes that have nothing to do with the real world. Their adherents don't do this accidentally or helplessly either. They thrive on it, getting caught up in delusional plotlines and sensational dramas and outlandish conspiracies that lend meaning to their otherwise boring and monotonous lives. But how can they not be aware of this relentless monomaniacal fixation on villifying and smearing complete strangers? This is all clearly explained by Jung in the following quote:

"The unconscious is not a demonic monster but a natural entity—morally, aesthetically, and intellectually indifferent—that becomes truly dangerous only when our conscious attitude towards it is hopelessly misguided; the danger posed by the unconscious increases in proportion to the extent of repression. However, the moment the patient begins to assimilate the contents that were previously unconscious, that danger diminishes. Personality dissociation—the anxious separation of the day-side and the night-side—ceases as assimilation progresses. What my critic fears—namely, the unconscious overwhelming consciousness—is precisely what is most likely to occur when the unconscious is prevented from participating in life through repression, misinterpretation, and devaluation."
~Carl Gustav Jung, The Practical Use of Dream Analysis, 1931; from the book *Dream and Dream Interpretation*

"He who fights with monsters should see to it that he does not become a monster..." — Friedrich Nietzsche
Obvious bias oozing out all over that. Jung obviously wasn't talking about a literal "demonic monster," but you seem really motivated to read it as such.
Nietzsche’s quote wasn't about fighting monsters, it was about the methods used becoming monstrous.
Quote:Jung obviously wasn't talking about a literal "demonic monster," but you seem really motivated to read it as such.

Is there something you failed to understand about my phrase "inherently evil story characters" and the list of 15 of them that conservatives and religionists project on complete strangers?

Quote:Nietzsche’s quote wasn't about fighting monsters, it was about the methods used becoming monstrous.

Yes it is. It's exactly the thing he said!
(Jun 25, 2026 04:36 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Jung obviously wasn't talking about a literal "demonic monster," but you seem really motivated to read it as such.

Is there something you failed to understand about my phrase "inherently evil story characters" and the list of 15 of them that conservatives and religionists project on complete strangers?
Wow, the non sequitur.

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Quote:Nietzsche’s quote wasn't about fighting monsters, it was about the methods used becoming monstrous.

Yes it is. It's exactly the thing he said!
Oh, you only understand the literal meaning.
Got it.

Nietzsche’s famous aphorism is a warning about the dangers of engaging in a struggle against something or someone. According to Nietzsche, when we fight against monsters, whether literal or metaphorical, we risk becoming like them, adopting their viciousness and cruelty.
- https://thestandupphilosophers.co.uk/who...-monsters/

Quote:According to Nietzsche, when we fight against monsters, whether literal or metaphorical, we risk becoming like them, adopting their viciousness and cruelty.

Yep..that's what I just said.
"viciousness and cruelty" are the things to avoid, not fighting the monsters.
(Jun 25, 2026 06:51 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]"viciousness and cruelty" are the things to avoid, not fighting the monsters.

Fighting monsters often leads to becoming a vicious monster. We always project on others what we unconsciously are, remember? I can't believe you don't get this.
"Often leads to" is not the same as "never fight monsters." Nietzsche was warning to be on guard while fighting monsters, not to give up fighting entirely. I agree, the left very often projects... it's often how they telegraph their own actions.
Quote:"Often leads to" is not the same as "never fight monsters." Nietzsche was warning to be on guard while fighting monsters, not to give up fighting entirely.

No..he didn't say or mean that at all. He simply warned against fighting with monsters.
Like I said, "Oh, you only understand the literal meaning."
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