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Starmer has to cater to the population powers that be. London is a Muslim city, in addition to being a hub of many other non-Western cultures. From their perspective, even Jews as a tiny minority are crypto-European oppressors. (Akin to the Black American colonizers of Liberia in the 19th-century, who became the elite minority over the indigenous population. Or the minority whites of South Africa back in apartheid days). But at least Starmer is erecting superficial, token appearances of concern about antisemitism.
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U.K. calls antisemitism an emergency after arson and stabbing attacks on Jewish people
https://www.npr.org/2026/04/30/nx-s1-580...tisemitism

EXCERPT: The British government on Thursday said the country was facing an antisemitism emergency and pledged funding to increase security for Jewish communities after a string of arson attacks and a double stabbing that have sparked fear and anger.

Prime Minister Keir Starmer said "an attack on our Jewish community is an attack on all of us" after two Jewish men, aged 34 and 76, were stabbed and seriously injured in Golders Green, an area in north London that is an epicenter of Britain's Jewish community. Both men are in a stable condition.

But some in the community turned their anger on a government they say is failing to tackle antisemitism. Starmer was heckled by about 100 protesters holdings signs saying "Keir Starmer, Jew harmer" when he visited Golders Green on Thursday.

Police have arrested a 45-year-old man on suspicion of attempted murder and labeled the stabbing attack as an act of terrorism. Detectives are working to determine a motive and whether there is any link to Iranian proxies.

The suspect, whose name hasn't been released, had "a history of serious violence and mental health issues" and may have been involved in an "altercation" in another area of London hours before the Golders Green attack, the force said.

In 2020 he was referred to the government's Prevent program, which tries to steer individuals away from extremism. The police force said his file was closed later the same year, and did not disclose the reason for the referral.

[...] The number of antisemitic incidents reported across the U.K. has soared since the attack by Hamas-led militants on southern Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, and the subsequent war in Gaza, according to the Community Security Trust charity.

Last October, an attacker drove his car into people gathered outside a Manchester synagogue on Yom Kippur and fatally stabbed one person. Another person died during the attack after being inadvertently shot by police. Since the start of the Iran war on Feb. 28, there have been a string of arson attacks on synagogues and other Jewish sites in London as well as on opponents of the Iranian government.

[...] some Jews and others say the government has allowed an atmosphere of antisemitism to grow. They say pro-Palestinian protests, held regularly since October 2023, have gone beyond criticism of Israel's actions to foster an atmosphere of intimidation and hatred against Jews... (MORE - missing details)

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He says he's appalled. He says he's shocked. He says he's deeply unsettled. but he doesn't seem to realize that he is in a position of significant power to actually do something practical to help. How is that lost on the prime minister?

I think it goes back to Starmer's whole approach to running the country. He he's he's a manager. He's a manager. He he he has spent his whole career managing uh he's been a human rights lawyer. I think he got into number 10 and has found himself shocked that actually he's the one that needs to decide what gets done rather than managing stuff he's been told to do by other people and it doesn't really matter if it's anti-semitism or any other of the many policy problems that we have in the UK. Um Starmer seems completely incapable of doing anything uh proactive, useful or frankly helpful to our country and and hence we're drifting on every issue but most notably on this one and yet with this one people are actually dying.
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Simple enough to say Starmer ought to do something .. but what?
A war in another part of the world is spilling over onto the streets of London.
Reading between the lines .. Starmer should declare to be on Israel's side and lock up all Islamic people until the war with Iran/Lebanon/Gaza/others is successfully settled?
Is that it?
If not then what?
Even on neutral territory it can sometimes be sensible to keep a low profile. If you really don't want to keep a low profile .. maybe because you have rights that transcend 'sense' .. rights that someone else has to defend .. how should your rights be defended?

As of April/May 2026, the UK government has declared antisemitism a "national security emergency" following a severe rise in attacks, including a stabbing and arson incidents targeting the Jewish community. While many pro-Palestinian protests have been described as peaceful, authorities and watchdog groups have documented instances of antisemitic rhetoric, including hate speech, calls for violence, and specific chants targeting Jews, some of which occurred at rallies in London and other cities.
- Gemini

Anyone making public calls for violence or threats could be arrested and prosecuted, as inciting terrorism.
And when the UK fails to fully support it's allies, like Israel and the US, when fighting genocidal antisemites, they tacitly condone antisemitic propaganda of those efforts, feeding the antisemitic sentiments within the UK.

If foreign wars are endangering your citizens, you have the obligation to protect them, even if from other citizens that hold more loyalty to their Muslim homes that the UK and its laws. Pandering to those people is tacitly condoning their cause.

Oh, so you think UK Jews should just go into hiding? Would you suggest basements or attics?

"Anyone making public calls for violence or threats could be arrested and prosecuted, as inciting terrorism. "

We (UK) already do that. Recently there was some weird stuff with one of your trumpkins babbling on about freedom of speech in the UK - I guess that's why.

"And when the UK fails to fully support it's allies, like Israel and the US,.."

It is generally believed that Trump has engineered at least some of the problems in the Middle East. Removing inspections of Iran's nuclear sites let the dog off the leash. Trump's promise to 'help' dissidents in Iran made them targets for a regime that clearly hates the US. Any claim that Trump is treated as a fickle and unreliable ally is the consequence of his being a fickle and unreliable ally.

Israel is a self-declared state .. within living memory. The UK has no mechanism for dealing with biblical claims. I suspect Israel is viewed as, at best, a necessary thing which isn't quite the same as a good thing. This is in stark contrast to the US view that they are supporting a god-given promise made thousands of years ago.

" when fighting genocidal antisemites, they tacitly condone antisemitic propaganda of those efforts, feeding the antisemitic sentiments within the UK. "

What is primarily a war over territory also has religious connotations .. expecting people to deny or at least not flaunt their religion for the sake of peace has never worked well.

Police are thinly spread in the UK .. with the result that a certain amount of common sense needs to be applied in your choice of what you do and when and where you choose to do it.

Quote:Official police-recorded data shows that sexual orientation hate crimes in England and Wales totaled 22,839 offences in the year ending March 2024,

CST's Antisemitic Incidents Report 2025, published today, shows 3,700 instances of anti-Jewish hate across the UK in 2025.

There are two types of Jew, those hardliners that see Israel as their home (while occupying space in other countries) and those that just have the Jewish faith and are (or would be) happy with where they are.

Attacks on the latter make them more extremist and likely convert to the former. In some respects you could suggest that such attacks means that the schizm that exists in their faith doctrines can lead to bringing them back into the fold of a singular extremist faith.

The same of course could be said for other religions (apply the same rational to Muslims, you have some that are extremists and others that are not. If the latter are attacked it stirs up more extremist rationalities.)

The fix for the UK would actually be to just boot out all Jews and all Muslims, send them all packing. Wash are hands of their continued debacle. Far simpler in method than trying to skirt around the problems and trying to tiptoe through a minefield of bombshells waiting to explode.

(May 2, 2026 01:03 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Official police-recorded data shows that sexual orientation hate crimes in England and Wales totaled 22,839 offences in the year ending March 2024,

CST's Antisemitic Incidents Report 2025, published today, shows 3,700 instances of anti-Jewish hate across the UK in 2025.

Arguably closer to each other than what it reflexively looks like. Since there might be circa two million people in the UK that slot as LGBT+ (when including the half million trans).[1] Whereas there is only just over 300,000 Jews in the UK, versus potentially 7.7 million in the US. With a good fraction of the latter residing in the power center of NYC, as well as working in the influential entertainment industry on the West Coast, academia, etc. Population-wise, the US is equivalent to a second Israel.

In contrast, there are almost four million Muslims in the UK, constituting a larger percentage of the population (6.5%) than Jews in the US (2.4%). So they could constitute the prominent role that their Jewish counterparts in the US enjoy (especially in the political power center of London that is analogous to the business dominion of NYC).

Since LGBT+ does not score favorably high on the classic Islam list, British Jews are actually doing better than the former in the violent context of victim count -- though again, percentage-wise, they're probably nearer when taking into account the great difference in population numbers.

At any rate, Labour understandably needs to court or romance Muslims and LGBT+ more than that tiny pocket of UK Jews. But in terms of magical ultimate protection (zero victims), none of the three seem to be doing that great.

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[1] Of course, a yet larger number of LGBT+ individuals if it was truly the speculated one in ten people (the majority not openly identifying).

I'd speculate that the UK Whitehall establishment is afraid of its Muslim minority. I think that (they would probably never admit this) they see them as a potential source of serious civil disorder that could threaten the stability of the state. So they bend over backwards to avoid anything that might possibily provoke them and their peculiar (in the UK) sensibilities and practices ranging from taking over public streets for ostentatious public prayers to (at the extreme) raping little white girls.

What can be done?

Maybe for starters, halt all illegal immigration (which I'd guess is disproportionately Muslim). The UK Border Force should once again be precisely that, rather than an illegal immigration concierge service. Stop making Britain so desirable for illegal migrants. Stop offering them housing, food, medical and all the other benefits they receive. Make France a more desirable place for them to remain, rather than pushing on to cross the Channel. Start deporting all illegal migrants presently in the UK, perhaps starting with those with criminal records.

Maybe support measures that promote assimilation and oppose policies that encourage cultural separatism. That means eliminating "multiculturalism".

(May 2, 2026 07:14 PM)Yazata Wrote: [ -> ]I'd speculate that the UK Whitehall establishment is afraid of its Muslim minority. I think that (they would probably never admit this) they see them as a potential source of serious civil disorder that could threaten the stability of the state. So they bend over backwards to avoid anything that might possibily provoke them and their peculiar (in the UK) sensibilities and practices ranging from taking over public streets for ostentatious public prayers to (at the extreme) raping little white girls.

What can be done?

Maybe for starters, halt all illegal immigration (which I'd guess is disproportionately Muslim). The UK Border Force should once again be precisely that, rather than an illegal immigration concierge service. Stop making Britain so desirable for illegal migrants. Stop offering them housing, food, medical and all the other benefits they receive. Make France a more desirable place for them to remain, rather than pushing on to cross the Channel. Start deporting all illegal migrants presently in the UK, perhaps starting with those with criminal records.

Maybe support measures that promote assimilation and oppose policies that encourage cultural separatism. That means eliminating "multiculturalism".

In the above context, though, that would mean that they are actually not much worried at all [response-wise] about the right populists and Tommy Robinson's activist factions. Since the government has no problem demonizing them as the source of problems. "Oh, that rowdy bunch of scapegoats will never truly destroy the country. It's the Muslims that we need to placate and spare no policy to accommodate."

(May 2, 2026 01:03 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]"Anyone making public calls for violence or threats could be arrested and prosecuted, as inciting terrorism. "

We (UK) already do that. Recently there was some weird stuff with one of your trumpkins babbling on about freedom of speech in the UK - I guess that's why.

No, Starmer is not already doing that.

Not all Muslims—or individuals of any background—who make threats against Jews are automatically arrested in the UK.

While UK authorities have adopted a "more assertive" approach to antisemitism and are actively targeting threats following a massive surge in reported incidents, arrest is contingent on several factors, including the identification of the perpetrator, the severity of the threat, and the evidence available.
- Gemini

UK police know when there are public gatherings of Muslims, and they know there's likely to be calls for violence and threats against Jews... if they are even semi-rational adults. But UK police have a very spotty record on that count:

Based on reports from April 2024, London's Metropolitan Police apologized after officers threatened to arrest an "openly Jewish" man, Gideon Falter, for being near a pro-Palestinian march, suggesting his presence was "provocative" and could incite a reaction from protesters.

In late 2025 and early 2026, UK police faced significant criticism after Israeli and Jewish football fans were banned from attending a specific sporting event due to "public safety concerns."
- Gemini

Quote:"And when the UK fails to fully support it's allies, like Israel and the US,.."

It is generally believed that Trump has engineered at least some of the problems in the Middle East. Removing inspections of Iran's nuclear sites let the dog off the leash. Trump's promise to 'help' dissidents in Iran made them targets for a regime that clearly hates the US.

You have to be very naive to believe Iran was letting nuclear inspectors into all of their facilities.

While the IAEA confirmed Iran's compliance with the JCPOA's specific limits from 2016 to 2018, it later discovered evidence of past secret activities that were not disclosed during that time.

Verification regimes like the JCPOA are built on a foundation of declarations. If a country successfully hides a location, the "robust" inspection rules for that location are never triggered.
- Gemini

IOW, Iran NEVER had international inspections of all its nuclear sites. The JCPOA was never any better than Neville Chamberlain's Munich Agreement.

The Iranian people were protesting (and being killed by the tens of thousands by the regime) before Trump ever promised help.

The protests in Iran had already intensified into a nationwide movement before Donald Trump made his specific "help is on its way" promise.

By the time Trump issued his statement on January 13, 2026, the protests had already reached a deadly peak on January 8 and 9. In fact, reports from that period indicate that by the time his promise was made, the protests were actually beginning to quiet down due to a massive government crackdown and an unprecedented internet blackout.

Estimates of the number of protesters killed by the Iranian regime vary significantly due to a near-total internet blackout during the height of the crackdown. While the Iranian government has officially acknowledged 3,117 deaths, human rights organizations and international media outlets suggest the actual toll is much higher, with some estimates exceeding 30,000.
- Gemini

Ignorance of all these readily available facts has to willful. Otherwise, you just like to opine on things you have essentially no knowledge of.

Quote:Any claim that Trump is treated as a fickle and unreliable ally is the consequence of his being a fickle and unreliable ally.

Yet it's our NATO "allies" that have proven fickle and unreliable. Don't project so much.
These "allies" have spent decade shirking their responsibilities in an agreement that largely benefits their own security. That makes them the fickle, selfish, and unreliable ones.

Quote:Israel is a self-declared state .. within living memory. The UK has no mechanism for dealing with biblical claims. I suspect Israel is viewed as, at best, a necessary thing which isn't quite the same as a good thing. This is in stark contrast to the US view that they are supporting a god-given promise made thousands of years ago.

No, Israel was created and recognized by the international community.

The State of Israel was created following a United Nations recommendation and has been recognized by the vast majority of the international community since its establishment in 1948.
- Gemini

They didn't unilaterally just declare themselves a state... but the Palestinians did.

The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) formally declared the establishment of the State of Palestine on November 15, 1988.

While this 1988 declaration was a major symbolic step, it occurred while the PLO was operating as a government-in-exile and did not exercise control over the territory. Since then, Palestinian leadership has frequently utilized unilateral paths—such as seeking recognition at the United Nations—to pursue statehood outside of direct negotiations with Israel.
- Gemini

So in your ignorance, you've actually inverted the facts.

Quote:" when fighting genocidal antisemites, they tacitly condone antisemitic propaganda of those efforts, feeding the antisemitic sentiments within the UK. "

What is primarily a war over territory also has religious connotations .. expecting people to deny or at least not flaunt their religion for the sake of peace has never worked well.

No, Hamas, the Iranian regime, Hezbollah, etc. overtly say they seek the genocide of all Jews. You whitewashing that as a "war over territory" makes you complicit in whitewashing the antisemitic violence in your own country. I doubt that phases you though.

Quote:Police are thinly spread in the UK .. with the result that a certain amount of common sense needs to be applied in your choice of what you do and when and where you choose to do it.

Quote:Official police-recorded data shows that sexual orientation hate crimes in England and Wales totaled 22,839 offences in the year ending March 2024,

CST's Antisemitic Incidents Report 2025, published today, shows 3,700 instances of anti-Jewish hate across the UK in 2025.

Since taking office as Prime Minister, Keir Starmer has followed through on his "pro-police" stance with several specific funding increases and recruitment initiatives. While critics argue these measures are insufficient to cover rising costs, his government has officially increased police budgets for two consecutive years.

Criticism and Challenges
Despite these increases, Starmer faces criticism from both sides of the political aisle and from within the police force itself:

Inflation Pressures: Police chiefs have warned that the funding increases may not be enough to cover rising costs like pay increases and National Insurance contributions, potentially leading to budget shortfalls in some regions.
"New" vs. "Existing" Officers: Opponents claim that only a fraction of the 13,000 promised roles are "new" recruits, with many being diverted from existing roles or consisting of unpaid volunteers.
Total Force Decline: While neighbourhood roles have increased, some reports indicate that the total number of officers and PCSOs across all departments saw a slight decrease (0.6% and 1.4% respectively) in late 2025.
- Gemini

Too little too late. So, apparently, "We (UK)" don't "already do that." Otherwise, you wouldn't be making excuses.

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(May 2, 2026 04:13 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]There are two types of Jew, those hardliners that see Israel as their home (while occupying space in other countries) and those that just have the Jewish faith and are (or would be) happy with where they are. 

Attacks on the latter make them more extremist and likely convert to the former.  In some respects you could suggest that such attacks means that the schizm that exists in their faith doctrines can lead to bringing them back into the fold of a singular extremist faith.

Really? Belief in the right for a Jewish state to exist is "extremist"? @_@
There's only one, compared to:

There are approximately 50 to 570 Muslim-majority countries worldwide, depending on the source and definitions of "Muslim state". The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) consists of 57 member states, of which 48-49 are Muslim-majority. Approximately 23 to 27 countries explicitly declare Islam as their state religion.
- Gemini

Quote:The same of course could be said for other religions (apply the same rational to Muslims, you have some that are extremists and others that are not.  If the latter are attacked it stirs up more extremist rationalities.)

Zionists do not commit terrorist attacks, nor attack other countries unprovoked.
The moral equivalence you're making is ignorant and immoral.

Quote:The fix for the UK would actually be to just boot out all Jews and all Muslims, send them all packing.  Wash are hands of their continued debacle.  Far simpler in method than trying to skirt around the problems and trying to tiptoe through a minefield of bombshells waiting to explode.

Again with the moral equivalence. If you don't know who the violent aggressors are, in your own country, you're willfully ignorant or immoral.
Punishing the victims is immoral.