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Christians, let’s stop abusing Romans 13
https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/0...nneapolis/

EXCERPTS: What people reference when they say “Romans 13” is the argument the apostle Paul makes in that chapter: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed” (vv. 1–2, ESV throughout). What some Christians draw from this, then, is that whatever the state does in using lethal force (or bearing “the sword” as Paul put it in verse 4) is morally legitimate and those who question it are wrong.

[...] Romans 13 is about refusing to become what oppresses you, not about baptizing whatever the oppressor does. And Romans 13 puts moral limits around what authorities can and cannot do—it tells them to use the sword against “the wrongdoer,” for instance. Paul wrote Romans 13 not to protect the state from critique but to shield the church from vengeance... (MORE - missing details)


The God They Preach at the Pentagon
https://sojo.net/articles/opinion/god-th...h-pentagon

INTRO: On Dec. 17, 2025, evangelical minister and Republican political activist Franklin Graham led a Christmas worship service at the Pentagon, where he preached about God being a “God of war.” I find it to be one of the most bizarre Christmas sermons ever given, but it was telling. In fact, it telegraphed the foreign policy of the U.S.

A few weeks later, President Donald Trump would order the kidnapping and extradition of Nicolás Maduro to the U.S. to face drug trafficking charges. Now is the time for Christians to reclaim the message of peace that is at the heart of the gospel, and to resist imperialism.

While there are undoubtedly many root causes of this violation of international law, one of them is Christian nationalism and its insistence that the U.S. is a country chosen by God. Once a country’s chosenness has been established, all things become possible, from invading foreign countries so that the U.S. can “run” them and control their oil reserves to acquiring Greenland by force.

While this idea has no bearing in scripture, it does represent the apotheosis of one of the U.S.’s most sacred beliefs: American exceptionalism. That hubris has often led to disastrous results for both the U.S. and the world. From the Cold War to the War on Terror, the U.S.’s self-conception as a global police force has led to death and misery, with at least 80 people being killed in the attack on Caracas, Venezuela as the latest example.

That exceptionalism, perhaps best embodied by this administration’s “America First” doctrine, manifests as unlimited power that ignores both international law and the U.S. Constitution... (MORE - details)
(9 hours ago)C C Wrote: [ -> ]What some Christians draw from this, then, is that whatever the state does in using lethal force (or bearing “the sword” as Paul put it in verse 4) is morally legitimate and those who question it are wrong.
What Christians? I haven't seen this argument made.
What I have seen is endorsing law and order, where, for instance, you shouldn't be resisting the federal government in enforcing legally passed laws with legally authorized powers.

Quote:[...] Romans 13 is about refusing to become what oppresses you, not about baptizing whatever the oppressor does. And Romans 13 puts moral limits around what authorities can and cannot do—it tells them to use the sword against “the wrongdoer,” for instance. Paul wrote Romans 13 not to protect the state from critique but to shield the church from vengeance... (MORE - missing details)
Romans 13 doesn't mention "oppression" at all, which makes this whole argument a projection of the author's own misuse of the Bible. It does say governments bring punishment to wrongdoers, and that's what happens when you violate the law.

Quote:Moreover, the use of Romans 13 as a refusal to question the morality of a use of force is, ironically enough, a violation of the passage.
No, it's not, and I haven't seen anyone use it as a blanket excuse. So again, who is making this argument?

Likely no one, as it's a strawman being used to deflect the evidentiary defense of ICE officers (the context of this whole article).


Quote:The God They Preach at the Pentagon
https://sojo.net/articles/opinion/god-th...h-pentagon

INTRO: On Dec. 17, 2025, evangelical minister and Republican political activist Franklin Graham led a Christmas worship service at the Pentagon, where he preached about God being a “God of war.” I find it to be one of the most bizarre Christmas sermons ever given, but it was telling. In fact, it telegraphed the foreign policy of the U.S.

A few weeks later, President Donald Trump would order the kidnapping and extradition of Nicolás Maduro to the U.S. to face drug trafficking charges. Now is the time for Christians to reclaim the message of peace that is at the heart of the gospel, and to resist imperialism.

While there are undoubtedly many root causes of this violation of international law, one of them is Christian nationalism and its insistence that the U.S. is a country chosen by God. Once a country’s chosenness has been established, all things become possible, from invading foreign countries so that the U.S. can “run” them and control their oil reserves to acquiring Greenland by force.

While this idea has no bearing in scripture, it does represent the apotheosis of one of the U.S.’s most sacred beliefs: American exceptionalism. That hubris has often led to disastrous results for both the U.S. and the world. From the Cold War to the War on Terror, the U.S.’s self-conception as a global police force has led to death and misery, with at least 80 people being killed in the attack on Caracas, Venezuela as the latest example.

That exceptionalism, perhaps best embodied by this administration’s “America First” doctrine, manifests as unlimited power that ignores both international law and the U.S. Constitution... (MORE - details)

Yes, the Christian God is depicted in the Bible as both a God of war, fighting for His people and against evil (e.g., "Yahweh of Hosts," a mighty warrior), and a God of peace (e.g., "Yahweh Shalom," the Prince of Peace), with scripture showing this duality through concepts like righteous, defensive war and Jesus' teachings on peace and the sword. This view acknowledges God as both a nurturer and a disciplinarian, actively involved in conflict to bring about justice and ultimate peace, a complex role often reconciled through the idea of "just war" or divine intervention for righteousness, not violence for its own sake.
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So yes, God is a "God of war." Just like a loving parent must also apply discipline to avoid a spoiled child. When you put the two together, on the international context, it's exactly Trump's "peace through strength" strategy.

But this source and author are left of center with an obvious ax to grind. They detail no international treaty that the US is a signator to nor part of the US Constitution they blithely claim the administration is ignoring.
Lets look at if a different way. For most Atheists, an ideal world is one when you are born into it with equal capacity and not subjugated by someone that claims ownership for "making" it (after all it's not particular "Godly" to claim ownership, if anything thats more like a sociopath/megalomaniac/demagogue)

The problem is however there is always the sociopath/megalomaniac/demagogue amongst us that wants to claim/own everything which leads to people having to fight so as to keep their freedom. It doesn't make the sociopath/megalomaniac/demagogue a "God of War" it just makes them an arsehat that caused a need for war to be fought for people to maintain their freedom.

Over quoted but worth a mention here:
Quote:The price of freedom is eternal vigilance

(again not suggestion anyone is a "god of war" but vigilance can take many forms including the will to fight)
For atheists, you already believe you live in a world not subjugated by a deity that owns it. Congratulations.
A god doesn't "claim" ownership, its ownership is just a fact.

Yes, dictators, like Maduro, Khamenei, etc., do require being fought for their people to have their freedom.