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(Oct 2, 2025 06:12 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Again, for the third time, reassuring allies is not deterring enemies.

Three separate things moron--training, projecting strength, and reassuring allies, all achieved by Navy ships deploying worldwide. It's been going on for a hundred years and will keep going on. Nothing has changed despite your lies to the contrary.

Again, you're just out of touch. Putin sure ignored any "show of strength" from Biden. So did Iran and all of their terrorist proxies.

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Quote:Projecting strength is when we bombed the Houthis to protect US interests in the Red Sea.

You have no idea what that term even means. Here's how the Navy projects strength:

If it were a successful show of strength our enemies wouldn't have been aggressing.

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Quote:Readiness happens prior to military action. If you wait until we're "at war" you've already failed. Again, it's pretty clear why you don't realize this.

Let's try this again dumbass. Training, as in maintaining readiness, projecting strength, as in show of force, and reassuring allies. Tell me now exactly what I'm not realizing.

That showing off military assets isn't a "show of force." At best, it's a show of forces... which you objected to when Trump held a military parade.
A show of force involves actually demonstrating force. That's the only think aggressors like Putin, Xi, etc. understand. Pansies like you can't seem to get it through your thick skull that our enemies can read the room when a weak, ineffectual leader like Biden or Obama is in charge.

Quote:If it were a successful show of strength our enemies wouldn't have been aggressing.

So because nations start wars sometimes that means show of force doesn't work? No moron. I gave you 4 examples when a show of force deterred military conflict. It obviously works and has worked for a hundred years.

Quote:That showing off military assets isn't a "show of force." At best, it's a show of forces... which you objected to when Trump held a military parade.
A show of force involves actually demonstrating force.

That's what training operations are for retard. A show of force. And it doesn't involve blowing up someone's facilities. That would not be a show of force at all. It is force. Learn the terminology before using it:

"A U.S. Navy show of force is a military action to deter adversaries, reassure allies, and project power by demonstrating a capability or readiness to act, often without engaging in combat. These demonstrations can involve complex, large-scale exercises like dual-carrier operations or multinational drills, as well as more focused actions such as guided-missile destroyer missile launches or "elephant walk" formations of dozens of military aircraft. The purpose is to convey American presence, commitment to freedom of navigation, and overwhelming power, all while aiming to maintain peace through strength.

"Examples of Navy Shows of Force

Carrier Strike Group Operations: The deployment of multiple aircraft carriers conducting coordinated operations, like the dual-carrier maneuver in the South China Sea by the USS Nimitz and USS Ronald Reagan in 2020, serves as a clear statement of U.S. presence and commitment.

Missile Demonstrations: U.S. Navy destroyers have launched missiles in the Pacific to showcase their warfighting capabilities and enhance deterrence against regional naval buildups.

Multinational Exercises: The large-scale Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercise involves dozens of countries, hundreds of ships, aircraft, and thousands of personnel to demonstrate cooperative security and deter aggression.

"Elephant Walks": During exercises like the one at Kadena Air Base, the Air Force and Navy conduct a coordinated taxiing of many aircraft in close formation to show air power and readiness.

Aircraft Flyovers: An incident in 2025 involved armed Venezuelan fighter jets flying over the USS Jason Dunham, with U.S. officials describing it as a "show of force" by Venezuela to interfere with counter-narcotics operations."

(Oct 2, 2025 06:52 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:If it were a successful show of strength our enemies wouldn't have been aggressing.

So because nations start wars sometimes that means show of force doesn't work? No moron. I gave you 4 examples when a show of force deterred military conflict. It obviously works and has worked for a hundred years.

You gave old examples, before pansy Democrats showed the world how impotent they could be.

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Quote:That showing off military assets isn't a "show of force." At best, it's a show of forces... which you objected to when Trump held a military parade.
A show of force involves actually demonstrating force.

That's what training operations are for retard. A show of force. And it doesn't involve blowing up someone's facilities. That would not be a show of force at all. It is force. Learn the terminology before using it:

"A U.S. Navy show of force is a military action to deter adversaries, reassure allies, and project power by demonstrating a capability or readiness to act, often without engaging in combat. These demonstrations can involve complex, large-scale exercises like dual-carrier operations or multinational drills, as well as more focused actions such as guided-missile destroyer missile launches or "elephant walk" formations of dozens of military aircraft. The purpose is to convey American presence, commitment to freedom of navigation, and overwhelming power, all while aiming to maintain peace through strength.

If you could only read your own citations... which you've repeatedly failed to cite a source for lately... it clearly says "often without engaging in combat."
Guess what, dipshit (and ableist using "retard," stigmatizing the intellectually disabled), "often" means when you can project strength without combat. Your pansy-ass Dems obviously can't do that anymore, demonstrated by all the examples I've given.

You having to go back decades to the glory days of when Democrats were half-sane and had some testicular fortitude is just sad. Those days are long since over.

Quote:You gave old examples, before pansy Democrats showed the world how impotent they could be.

You're the only one claiming a show of force isn't enough to prevent conflict. Now you're changing to it does prevent conflict but only at a certain time in history? How did you arrive at that? Are you claiming the Navy no longer uses show of force despite me proving it does? And why did it happen when we had Democratic presidents? As usual you're just too fucking retarded to even stay with a consistent argument.

Quote:If you could only read your own citations... which you've repeatedly failed to cite a source for lately... it clearly says "often without engaging in combat."

Right dumbass. "Without engaging in combat", which is what you are claiming they don't do. Once again you're dead wrong.

Quote:Your pansy-ass Dems obviously can't do that anymore, demonstrated by all the examples I've given.

Nope..."Dems" have no effect on how the Navy projects strength and uses show of force to prevent conflict. As cited, it is still used as a major deterrent to prevent conflict via training exercises. You making up shit about your hated "Dems" is simply a strawman.

Reaction to Hegsweth's peacocking...

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Kimmel's reaction to Trump's new "physically fit" military..

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(Oct 2, 2025 06:18 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:You gave old examples, before pansy Democrats showed the world how impotent they could be.

You're the only one claiming a show of force isn't enough to prevent conflict. Now you're changing to it does prevent conflict but only at a certain time in history? How did you arrive at that? Are you claiming the Navy no longer uses show of force despite me proving it does? And why did it happen when we had Democratic presidents? As usual you're just too fucking retarded to even stay with a consistent argument.

No, dumbass, shows of force only work when there's an obvious, demonstrated will to use that force. Otherwise, it's just for show, and our enemies know that. In the past, both GOP and Dems actually used military combat force enough to make the shows of non-combat force effective. That hasn't been true of Dems since Obama.
You can't seem to understand the very simple concept that a "show of force" is only as effective as your enemy believes you're willing to use it. Hence all the wars started during Biden's stint.


Still stigmatizing the intellectually disabled, huh?

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Quote:Your pansy-ass Dems obviously can't do that anymore, demonstrated by all the examples I've given.

Nope..."Dems" have no effect on how the Navy projects strength and uses show of force to prevent conflict. As cited, it is still used as a major deterrent to prevent conflict via training exercises. You making up shit about your hated "Dems" is simply a strawman.

"Used" doesn't mean effective, dipshit.
The Commander in Chief has everything to do with how our enemies perceive our willingness to use military force.
But you're clearly far too much of a fucking pansy to understand the simple reality.

Quote:No, dumbass, shows of force only work when there's an obvious, demonstrated will to use that force.

LOL So how does a Navy fleet conducting training operations overseas near other countries NOT demonstrate the will to use that force? Do you think people say, "Oh they're not really serious because they haven't attacked anything yet." lol Quit being a spastic retard and think for once on your own.

Quote:You can't seem to understand the very simple concept that a "show of force" is only as effective as your enemy believes you're willing to use it. Hence all the wars started during Biden's stint.

For the first time in generations we are not in a war. That is all thanks to the Biden Administation. And nobody blows shit up just to make a show of force. That would be nuts. "Oh we attacked you because we just wanted to intimidate you with our military power." Get an education numbnuts. And grow a moral spine while you're at it. Blowing shit up unprovoked would be a heinous moral atrocity. As cited already, the Navy has and continues with its conflict-deterring show of force all over the world without blowing shit up for no reason:

"Examples of a U.S. Navy show of force include dual aircraft carrier operations in the South China Sea, missile drills by Arleigh Burke-class destroyers in the Pacific, a naval presence in the Caribbean to counter drug cartels, and a destroyer's transit through the Taiwan Strait to challenge China. These actions demonstrate military capabilities, deter adversaries, and express political resolve without initiating outright conflict."

You're hopelessly out of touch with reality.

No wars started under Trump's first term, but Ukrainian and Gazan wars started under Biden. So you're demonstrably delusional.

There's the madman tactic - Trump scores pretty high on that score.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
BUT
There's also the people Trump would like to be seen on a golf course with (even if not actually playing golf). For example Putin is high on Trump's 'would like to be seen with..' list which rather undermines the insane tactics.
Edit.. I think Putin (at least) has a fair idea exactly who and what he is dealing with. Likewise the North Korean guy.

Quote:No wars started under Trump's first term, but Ukrainian and Gazan wars started under Biden. So you're demonstrably delusional.

Do you really not comprehend the meaning of the term "we are not at war" numbnuts? Wow..I'm embarrassed FOR you.

I think we're done here.

(Oct 2, 2025 11:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:No wars started under Trump's first term, but Ukrainian and Gazan wars started under Biden. So you're demonstrably delusional.

Do you really not comprehend the meaning of the term "we are not at war" numbnuts? Wow..I'm embarrassed FOR you.

I think we're done here.

MR Wrote:..not at war

Be interesting to hear Syne's take on that..

MR Wrote:... nobody blows shit up just to make a show of force.

I'm not sure about that part.