Quote:Not the same thing. "Black pride" stems from militant "black power."
Nope..nothing about "black power" anymore than gay pride mean gay power. Pride means pride--being proud of being a black person and celebrating that fact with others. It's typical that a racist scumbag like you would construe it as something hostile and militant. Do you always feel threatened by black people gathering together?
(Jun 8, 2025 04:45 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Not the same thing. "Black pride" stems from militant "black power."
Nope..nothing about "black power" anymore than gay pride mean gay power. Pride means pride--being proud of being a black person and celebrating that fact with others. It's typical that a racist scumbag like you would construe it as something hostile and militant. Do you always feel threatened by black people gathering together?
Are you sure about that, dumbass?
You do know it has a historic origin, right? @_@
Stemming from the idea of black power, this movement emphasizes racial pride, economic empowerment, and the creation of political and cultural institutions. Related movements include black power, black nationalism, and Afrocentrism. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride
Black power emphasized black self-reliance and self-determination more than integration. Proponents believed African Americans should secure their human rights by creating political and cultural organizations that served their interests.
They insisted that African Americans should have power over their own schools, businesses, community services and local government. They focused on combating centuries of humiliation by demonstrating self-respect and racial pride as well as celebrating the cultural accomplishments of black people around the world. The black power movement frightened most of white America and unsettled scores of black Americans.
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Malcolm X’s expression of black pride and self-determination continued to resonate with and engage many African Americans long after his death in February 1965.
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Stokely Carmichael set a new tone for the black freedom movement when he demanded “black power” in 1966. Drawing on long traditions of racial pride and black nationalism, black power advocates enlarged and enhanced the accomplishments and tactics of the civil rights movement.
- https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/fo...lack-power
“Black” – Became prominent during the Black Power movement of the 1960s and 1970s as a term of pride and empowerment. - https://www.albert.io/blog/black-pride-i...es-review/
Black Power began as revolutionary movement in the 1960s and 1970s. It emphasized racial pride, economic empowerment, and the creation of political and cultural institutions.
- https://www.archives.gov/research/africa...lack-power
If "black pride" really only meant "being proud of being a black person and celebrating that fact with others," again, why would "white pride" be a problem?
Because historically black pride was part and parcel of black power, and this is the context in which we also perceive "white pride." Remember, you said:
(Jun 8, 2025 01:53 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]It suspiciously stinks of hatred much as proponents of white pride do.
So you even associate such racial pride with "hatred."
Gays don't have a history of militant "gay power," with militant leaders like Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, etc.. So your comparison is irrelevant.
Quote:They focused on combating centuries of humiliation by demonstrating self-respect and racial pride as well as celebrating the cultural accomplishments of black people around the world. The black power movement frightened most of white America and unsettled scores of black Americans.
Precisely what I said. No hostility or militancy about it. Do you think black people taking pride in being black is being hostile towards whites? Why? What about having self-respect and love for your race and its historical legacy entails being hostile towards other races?
Quote:If "black pride" really only meant "being proud of being a black person and celebrating that fact with others," again, why would "white pride" be a problem?
Because white pride has a nasty history of being associated with white supremacism and the KKK. And besides that, why would the majority require a parade and a festival to promote itself when it never suffered persecution or discrimination to begin with? Having pride in oneself is a direct and public refutation of the view that your race is inferior and something to be ashamed of. And for privileged whites, that has never been the case. IOW, for whites there is nothing to be proud AGAINST. Hence the futility of white pride.
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(Jun 8, 2025 06:49 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:They focused on combating centuries of humiliation by demonstrating self-respect and racial pride as well as celebrating the cultural accomplishments of black people around the world. The black power movement frightened most of white America and unsettled scores of black Americans.
Precisely what I said. No hostility or militancy about it. Do you think black people taking pride in being black is being hostile towards whites? Why? What about having self-respect and love for your race and its historical legacy entails being hostile towards other races?
As usual, you only read the parts you want to:
More than any other person, Malcolm X was responsible for the growing consciousness and new militancy of black people. - https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/fo...lack-power
Why would it "unsettled scores of black Americans" if there was nothing militant about it?
Quote:Quote:If "black pride" really only meant "being proud of being a black person and celebrating that fact with others," again, why would "white pride" be a problem?
And besides that, why would the majority require a parade and a festival to promote itself when it never suffered persecution or discrimination to begin with? Having pride in oneself is a direct and public refutation of the view that your race is inferior and something to be ashamed of. And for privileged whites, that has never been the case. IOW, for whites there is nothing to be proud AGAINST. Hence the futility of white pride.
So if you're in the majority, you're not allowed to celebrate (the word
you used before shifting the goalpost to "promote") your racial heritage? How does that work? You know, other than blatant double-standards. "Having pride in oneself" should be something we seek to foster in everyone equally, as a hallmark of healthy self-esteem... not as any kind of refutation.
As usual, you're back to making blacks sound so inferior to whites... while I argue that they're capable enough to be equals in every respect.
Quote:So if you're in the majority, you're now allowed to celebrate (the word you used before shifting the goalpost to "promote") your racial heritage?
No dumbass. I said there is no point in people celebrating white pride because it was never in question to begin with. Read what I posted again. Everything is explained clearly.
Quote:More than any other person, Malcolm X was responsible for the growing consciousness and new militancy of black people.
Malcolm X was indeed militant to a degree. But blacks supporting parades and festivals to celebrate their race isn't militancy. Far from it. It attacks no one and doesn't find fault with anyone.
militant: "combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favoring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods."
"White pride and white power are expressions primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, fascist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints.[2][3] It is also a slogan used by the prominent post–Ku Klux Klan group Stormfront and a term used to make racist/racialist viewpoints more palatable to the general public who may associate historical abuses with the terms white nationalist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist."
(Jun 8, 2025 09:12 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:So if you're in the majority, you're not allowed to celebrate (the word you used before shifting the goalpost to "promote") your racial heritage?
No dumbass. I said there is no point in people celebrating white pride because it was never in question to begin with. Read what I posted again. Everything is explained clearly.
I didn't ask if there was a point. You really have trouble answering the simplest of questions... no doubt working so hard to be evasive.
You literally said:
(Jun 8, 2025 04:45 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Pride means pride--being proud of being a black person and celebrating that fact with others.
Again, why can't whites have such pride?
Quote:Quote:More than any other person, Malcolm X was responsible for the growing consciousness and new militancy of black people.
Malcolm X was indeed militant to a degree. But blacks supporting parades and festivals to celebrate their race isn't militancy. Far from it. It attacks no one and doesn't find fault with anyone.
And like I proved with
all your links... none of them mention "black pride." Maybe blacks know the origin of the phrase better than you do.
Quote:Again, why can't whites have such pride?
Already posted why. Read again.
Quote:And like I proved with all your links... none of them mention "black pride." Maybe blacks know the origin of the phrase better than you do.
I gave 4 examples of blacks celebrating their race with parades. Then you changed the goalposts to the exact phrase "black pride." I then showed that celebrating your black race is the same as black pride. There's simply no difference. And it even defined it as such in Wiki: "Black pride is a movement which encourages black people to celebrate their respective cultures and embrace their African heritage."
You've been refuted.
Saying people have to have a reason you approve of to display racial pride is bigoted bullshit. Typical MR.
You gave 4 examples that make no mention of "black pride," and no, you didn't show any equivalency with those particular examples. Again, as long as whites don't call it "white pride," would it be okay for them to celebrate their own racial heritage?
(Jun 8, 2025 10:05 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]"Black pride is a movement which encourages black people to celebrate their respective cultures and embrace their African heritage."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride
You've been refuted.
As I quoted from that same link earlier:
Stemming from the idea of black power, this movement emphasizes racial pride, economic empowerment, and the creation of political and cultural institutions. Related movements include black power, black nationalism, and Afrocentrism. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride
Hence the historical connection with black power and black nationalism (you know, the thing you'd hate if it were white nationalism).
LEARN TO READ, DIPSHIT.