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I just said, "It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence." IOW, no one here has disputed that. You're arguing some dumb straw man of you own imagining.

You seem to have completely missed the part where I said "right-hemisphere capacities." You're arguing about left-hemisphere, again, which no one has disputed.

Illiterate. 9_9
(Jun 1, 2025 01:38 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]I just said, "It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence." IOW, no one here has disputed that. You're arguing some dumb straw man of you own imagining.

You seem to have completely missed the part where I said "right-hemisphere capacities." You're arguing about left-hemisphere, again, which no one has disputed.

Illiterate. 9_9


You're the one complaining we only know conscious intelligence. So I just showed how that was wrong, and how unconscious intelligence goes on in both us and in AI. You know, as in machines without any hemispheric brains as well as jellyfish, starfish, clams, sponges, etc. ? 9_9
(Jun 1, 2025 01:49 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]You're the one complaining we only know conscious intelligence. So I just showed how that was wrong, and how unconscious intelligence goes on in both us and in AI. You know, as in machines without any hemispheric brains as well as jellyfish, starfish, clams, sponges, etc. ? 9_9

Where do you imagine that happened, illiterate moron?
Quote:From the OP: “intelligence is nothing without delight.”
AI fundamentally cannot do delight, or any other right-hemisphere capacities.

Since we don't know of anything except consciousness that has these capacities, we are reduced to talking exclusively about consciousness. It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence
(Jun 1, 2025 04:45 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jun 1, 2025 01:49 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]You're the one complaining we only know conscious intelligence. So I just showed how that was wrong, and how unconscious intelligence goes on in both us and in AI. You know, as in machines without any hemispheric brains as well as jellyfish, starfish, clams, sponges, etc. ? 9_9

Where do you imagine that happened, illiterate moron?
(Jun 1, 2025 01:50 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:From the OP: “intelligence is nothing without delight.”
AI fundamentally cannot do delight, or any other right-hemisphere capacities.

Since we don't know of anything except consciousness that has these capacities, we are reduced to talking exclusively about consciousness. It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence

Learn to read, dipshit.

Do you see where I clearly said "right-hemisphere capacities?" You know the right-hemisphere is not responsible for intelligent computation, right? It's in the OP. See where I use the same word, "capacities," still talking about the right-hemisphere?

I even clearly said, "It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence."

You're clearly an illiterate moron.
(Jun 1, 2025 09:02 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jun 1, 2025 04:45 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jun 1, 2025 01:49 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]You're the one complaining we only know conscious intelligence. So I just showed how that was wrong, and how unconscious intelligence goes on in both us and in AI. You know, as in machines without any hemispheric brains as well as jellyfish, starfish, clams, sponges, etc. ? 9_9

Where do you imagine that happened, illiterate moron?
(Jun 1, 2025 01:50 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:From the OP: “intelligence is nothing without delight.”
AI fundamentally cannot do delight, or any other right-hemisphere capacities.

Since we don't know of anything except consciousness that has these capacities, we are reduced to talking exclusively about consciousness. It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence

Learn to read, dipshit.

Do you see where I clearly said "right-hemisphere capacities?" You know the right-hemisphere is not responsible for intelligent computation, right? It's in the OP. See where I use the same word, "capacities," still talking about the right-hemisphere?

I even clearly said, "It's trivial that AI has a form of computational intelligence."

You're clearly an illiterate moron.

I never specified where the brain is unconsciously computational. In fact, the whole right-left theory of the brain is a debunked myth. So it's pretty much a straw man that has no relevance to anything.

"Are you a right- or left-brained thinker — more creative, or more analytical? The theory, which dates from the 1960s, views people who are more creative and stronger in divergent thinking as right-brained, because that side of their brain is dominant. “Left brain” people, with the other side of the brain dominant, are more logical and analytical. Following that theory, managers who need innovative ideas from their team should find someone who’s right-brained. Need to crunch numbers? It’s a left-brained team member you need.

Despite a number of studies that debunked this concept just 50 years after it first appeared, it persists — Google it to find dozens of current examples. The good news is that if you need innovative ideas, they might be easier to find. Neuroscience research reveals that there is an “innovation circuit” in the brain that supports exploration, divergent thinking, and creativity. But it lives in both sides of the brain."

https://executiveeducation.wharton.upenn...roscience/
Moron, the left/right brain theory is about hemisphere dominance in personality and thinking style, not debunking what the hemispheres are responsible for. And while the division of labor between the hemispheres isn't as clear-cut as once thought, "[i]t’s still true that language is left-oriented and emotions are right-oriented." - https://www.webmd.com/brain/the-differen...ight-brain

Again, learn to read, dipshit.
And whether you specified conscious or unconscious is irrelevant, as I never deputed either. You're just arguing your own dumb straw man, likely with the voices in your own head.
Once again you are reduced to a ranting backpedaling ass who doesn't even know what he is arguing about anymore. That's what happens when you focus on the trivialities of being correct about everything instead of sustaining your overall argument. Invariably your whole position falls apart less from my countering it and more from you hairsplitting word definitions and accusing me of illiteracy. It would be amusing were it not so predictably repetitious and thoughtless.
Quit projecting, moron. We all know you're projecting because I called you out on your irrelevant panpsychism argument, and instead of being able to defend that, you go off on a straw man tangent. Distraction instead of argument.

Explaining to you the simple English you obvious didn't comprehend is not backpedaling. Defining terms for you is how I try to get you to engage in the actual argument made.... instead of every straw man you can dream up.

But then... we all know you're not the least bit interested in intellectually honest discussions.
Notice how you can't even counter the fact that you've idiotically conflated the left/right brain personality/thinking dominance theory with the actual functions of the left/right hemispheres.
Quote:Notice how you can't even counter the fact that you've idiotically conflated the left/right brain personality/thinking dominance theory with the actual functions of the left/right hemispheres.

No conflation. The theory of right/left brain dominance AND right/left brain functions are both myths not supported by actual research:

Q: One idea that's often heard in popular discussions of psychology is that the left brain is the seat of language and more "logical," while the right brain is more creative. Is there any truth to this idea?

A:One problem with answering this question is that we would first have to agree on what "logical" and "creative" even mean. So let's consider a (relatively) more well-defined case: math skills, which are often taken to be part of what the "logical" left hemisphere would be good at.

There are different kinds of math skills, ranging from being able to estimate which of two sets of things has a greater number of items, to counting, to various types of calculations. Research shows that, overall, the abilities that make up math skills arise from processing that takes place in BOTH hemispheres (especially the brain area in each hemisphere that is known as the intraparietal sulcus) and that damage to either hemisphere can cause difficulties with math. A left hemisphere advantage for math is mostly seen for tasks like counting and reciting multiplication tables, which rely heavily on memorized verbal information (thus, not exactly what we think of as "logical"!). And there are right hemisphere advantages on some math-related tasks as well, especially estimating the quantity of a set of objects. This kind of pattern, in which both hemispheres of the brain make critical contributions, holds for most types of cognitive skills. It takes two hemispheres to be logical – or to be creative.

The claim that the left hemisphere is the seat of language, however, is a little different. That idea comes from observations that damage to the left hemisphere (for example, due to a stroke) is often associated with difficulties producing language, a problem known as aphasia. Similar damage to the right hemisphere is much less likely to cause aphasia. In fact, for most people, the left hemisphere does play a much more important role in the ability to speak than the right hemisphere does.

However, this does not mean that the right hemisphere is "nonverbal." My laboratory studies the hemispheres' ability to comprehend (rather than produce) language, and we, like others, have shown that both hemispheres can figure out the meaning of words and sentences – and that they have differing strengths and weaknesses when it comes to comprehending. So, like other complex skills, the ability to understand what we read or what someone is saying to us requires both hemispheres, working together and separately."---- https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/1...lationship

So not only were you totally wrong, the whole issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the distinction between intelligence and consciousness that we were discussing. 9_9
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