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Language creates an altered state of consciousness
https://iai.tv/articles/language-creates..._auid=2020

INTRO: We tend to think of language as a transparent tool—a neutral medium for expressing thoughts and describing reality. While philosophers have (more or less) come to agree that “the map is not the territory” more recent thinkers have argued that language does play a fundamental role in shaping our perception of the world and our notion of self. By drawing parallels between language loss from brain injuries and the experiences reported during deep meditation or psychedelic states, UCL neuroscientist Jeremy I Skipper argues language creates an altered state of consciousness. Only by losing language can we start to dismantle the scaffolding that supports our notion of the world and the self... (MORE - details)

Quote:"..language is not merely a tool for communication but a fundamental architect of our human variety of higher-order consciousness. It imposes categorical constraints that shape perception, cognition, and selfhood, creating a stable reality that we too often mistake for the only reality. Altered states, whether induced by psychedelics or meditation, can dramatically defrock these linguistic filters, unveiling another “reality.” States of “oneness” and “ego dissolution” are mystical not necessarily because they are gifts from the gods, but because they correspond to a momentary dismantling of the linguistic scaffolding that constructs and maintains the separateness of objects—and of the self itself."

The social aspect of language that Wittgenstein emphasized shows itself in the inherent asociality of our private pre-verbal experience. We cannot for example put into words the qualitative differences we experience between colors, though it is something we all experience. Consciousness is inherently beyond language, only making itself provisionally signifiable in the words we use to describe and metaphorize it. It transcends abstractive language and even thought itself, expressing itself by other more immersive means such as poetry and music and art and spirituality. Strange that the answer to the question of "What is it?" is more easily provided by language than to the question of "What is it like?" That experience should precede existence. That the phenomenal ontologically underlies the physical.

I decided to share the following on this thread because I believe it has relevance to the topic at hand:

P.S. What is it about Langan's metaphysics that you object to? Perhaps his idea that identity is a quantum-level invariant? That reality is a simulation because reality exists within or is nested within itself? Or maybe that mind equals reality? Or that the universe generates itself from a more fundamental reality?

Yep, that's all easily dismissed as the rantings of a lunatic or at the very least a confused individual.

Perhaps you should think twice about singing the praises of your primitive atheistic beliefs and convert to a vision that is more aligned with reality.

I refuse to entertain a false reality.