You can pretend wanting peace is pandering to Putin, but cheerleading for more war and death is callous and psychopathic. It's as if all those lives are just pawns to your political view. That's sick and you should be ashamed of yourself... if you had any shame at all. We know you don't.
Lying before the world that Ukraine started the war and not inviting Zelensky to the table to meet with Putin isn't accomplishing anything. It's just another chance for that sleezeball to have a photo shoot with his genocidal buddy. That's all he cares about..how he looks.
(Feb 20, 2025 03:10 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]So a little dirt on Putin's face was worth one million deaths since the start of the Donbas War?
You hate this one man so much that one million young men is a small price to pay to stick it to Putin?
What kind of psychopathic reasoning is that?!
Millions died so I am posting in English (not German). Would I have been willing to fight (and die) for that freedom? Absolutely.
Part of the legacy of my generation should be that Americans are never again fighting (and dying ) on European soil. (Respect and gratitude to those that have).
Trump was on the phone with Zelenskyy immediately after talking to Putin... because that's how being an intermediary in peace talks works. If these people could just get together and sort it out on their own, they already would have, moron. And you have to start with the side that has the most leverage, because that's the side you ultimately want more from in the deal.
Again, why hasn't Europe done more in Ukraine? It's their own neighbor. They could have tried to get peace talks going... or as leftists war hawk want, urging and arming Ukraine until the whole country is in ruins. But that's it isn't it? It's only a neighbor. Europeans were fine with Austria being taken. It was only when bombs started dropping in Britain that they were willing to die.
(Feb 20, 2025 01:19 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Delusional leftists and their typical TDS.
Why didn't Russia taking Crimea lead to a war?
If you didn't notice Ukraine went through a period of trying to deal with internal corruption at that time period. Ousting corruption which was lead by Russian interference (Through oligarchs) is why Russia became desensitised with Ukraine. After that time period Russia had active assassination squads (funnily enough I think they were Wagner)
Quote:The Russo-Ukrainian War only went hot in the Donbas War (2014). Have you even heard of the Donbas War in the news? Well, that fighting continued until the 2022 Russian invasion. It was an escalation, not a sudden start of hostilities.
While Ukraine had "Seperatists" fighting for Donbas, it was a Russian blackflag operation to take control of either a portion or the whole of Ukraine. Those seperatists weren't freedom fighters, they were just neo-nazi thugs stealing territory.
Quote:Guess what, Ukraine wouldn't have been bombed if they took this invasion as well as they took losing Crimea. That's a simple fact, proven by history.
If it had been overrun it could of been Poland or Molodova or somewher else next.
Quote:How do you want this war resolved? WWIII, with the nuclear powers of Russia and the US in a hot war? How much do you think the US can do before Putin decides that's what it is? Sanctions, ICC arrest warrants, and international condemnation aren't stopping Putin.
Sanctions arrest warrants and international condemnation were only ways to try to state that the war wasn't a good Idea to Putin. It's not that anyone from the West wanted warfare on their doorstep, but they also don't want a maniacal tyrant expending a corrupted empire of a regime towards them either.
Quote:So what's your brilliant solution? Keep funding Ukraine so this war can go on killing people on both sides for years and years to come? Callous psychopaths.
I can't mentioned my "Brilliant Solution" currently as I'm hoping that the Prime Minister (well one of the aides) actually finds it hidden within email box. It's up to them if they choose to play it and hopefully if they do they will play it well but like I stated both Putin and the Trump isn't going to like it. If done properly it will not lead to any hostility to anyone, but it will definitely change how things are done in the future.
Hm. It seems Trump has offered to protect Ukraine in return for half the rare minerals in the remaining territory. Russia gets all the minerals in the territory they've already taken. Protection works best when the people giving protection work with the people they're protecting you from - I'm sure there's a name for it but I can't think of it right now. One might also want to consider whether an agreement with Trump is of any value in the usually accepted sense.
(Feb 20, 2025 05:20 PM)confused2 Wrote: [ -> ]Hm. It seems Trump has offered to protect Ukraine in return for half the rare minerals in the remaining territory. Russia gets all the minerals in the territory they've already taken. Protection works best when the people giving protection work with the people they're protecting you from - I'm sure there's a name for it but I can't think of it right now. One might also want to consider whether an agreement with Trump is of any value in the usually accepted sense.
I'm pretty sure Trump is just after fast returns due to his age and trying to prove to his minions that he's a wreckingball. (In honesty it seems like the Extreme Trumpites are a bit like a Doomsday cult, where they want to see some sort of divine wreckening [portmanteau]).
He wants a lot for nothing. It should be considered went out of his way to stop monetary support for Ukraine for years, for him to then have the notion he can ask for their mineral wealth obviously proves he's lost his marbles. (He might of had a chance if he'd actually backed them in the beginning.)
Ideally the world needs to realise Trump on a platform is no different than some Rando on a soapbox at Speakers Corner. Sure they might say something you could take note of, but for the most part you're best ignoring the background noise and get on with your day.
(Feb 20, 2025 06:41 AM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ] (Feb 20, 2025 01:19 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Delusional leftists and their typical TDS.
Why didn't Russia taking Crimea lead to a war?
If you didn't notice Ukraine went through a period of trying to deal with internal corruption at that time period. Ousting corruption which was lead by Russian interference (Through oligarchs) is why Russia became desensitised with Ukraine. After that time period Russia had active assassination squads (funnily enough I think they were Wagner)
You think Ukraine is now corruption free?
Even an ex-spy is concerned Ukraine's assassination squads are going too far
Seems pretty tit for tat.
Also, you didn't actually answer the question you quoted.
Quote:Quote:The Russo-Ukrainian War only went hot in the Donbas War (2014). Have you even heard of the Donbas War in the news? Well, that fighting continued until the 2022 Russian invasion. It was an escalation, not a sudden start of hostilities.
While Ukraine had "Seperatists" fighting for Donbas, it was a Russian blackflag operation to take control of either a portion or the whole of Ukraine. Those seperatists weren't freedom fighters, they were just neo-nazi thugs stealing territory.
Yes, the separatists were Russians living in Ukraine.
Any evidence of this supposed "blackflag operation" or just more leftist delusion?
Quote:Quote:Guess what, Ukraine wouldn't have been bombed if they took this invasion as well as they took losing Crimea. That's a simple fact, proven by history.
If it had been overrun it could of been Poland or Molodova or somewher else next.
All the more reason the Europe should have taken the lead to resolve this war years ago. Instead, they seemed happy to sacrifice Ukrainians as a proxy.
Quote:Quote:How do you want this war resolved? WWIII, with the nuclear powers of Russia and the US in a hot war? How much do you think the US can do before Putin decides that's what it is? Sanctions, ICC arrest warrants, and international condemnation aren't stopping Putin.
Sanctions arrest warrants and international condemnation were only ways to try to state that the war wasn't a good Idea to Putin. It's not that anyone from the West wanted warfare on their doorstep, but they also don't want a maniacal tyrant expending a corrupted empire of a regime towards them either.
Well, that didn't work, did it?
Again, any better ideas to end this war? Nothing?
Quote:Quote:So what's your brilliant solution? Keep funding Ukraine so this war can go on killing people on both sides for years and years to come? Callous psychopaths.
I can't mentioned my "Brilliant Solution" currently as I'm hoping that the Prime Minister (well one of the aides) actually finds it hidden within email box. It's up to them if they choose to play it and hopefully if they do they will play it well but like I stated both Putin and the Trump isn't going to like it. If done properly it will not lead to any hostility to anyone, but it will definitely change how things are done in the future.
Delusions of grandeur bullshit.
Biden and Congress sent 350 billion in aid and military weaponry to Ukraine. Trump hasn't sent any. See the difference?