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In the years after the French Revolution, some of the proto-anarchists and precursor nihilists -- who had a distaste for fabricated "oughts" or invented BS in general -- did seem to border on mocking both Enlightenment liberalism and the early left (pre-Marxist collectivism) as secular continuations of Christian spawned slash inspired morality, social justness, and other sets of principles.

At any rate, the religious personification of abstractions as deities -- that goes back to the most ancient of times -- entails that what people were really worshiping all along were the regulating conceptions and values of the creed. Dropping the superficial "godhood" stuff/myths doesn't end genuflection to ideology and interpreting much of what happens in the context of the latter. Bowing to useful, unifying, and governing fiction still persists; and both state and individual can seem to revere such at times, in ways beyond a mere social contract status.

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Historian says atheism and trans-rights movements owe a big debt to Jesus
https://religionunplugged.com/news/2025/...t-to-jesus

EXCERPTS: Tom Holland might be one of the smarter and more engaging guys I’ve heard. The British novelist, popular historian and podcast host, who attended Cambridge and Oxford universities, seems to know everything that can be known about ancient cultures.

[...] Some of his insights are surprising, including his contention that modern developments including the transgender rights movement and a recent spike in atheism probably wouldn’t exist were it not for the West’s Christian philosophical and moral foundations.

[...] I first encountered him during the holidays on a podcast other than his own: Bari Weiss’ “Honestly.” Fortunately, Weiss is as fine an interviewer as Holland is a raconteur. Their topic was “how Christianity remade the world.”

For Holland, that’s not an exaggeration. He says everything from the way we measure time to our fondness for underdogs to the American and French revolutions was generated largely by the life and teachings of Jesus.

In the West, even secular progressives who dismiss Christianity as superstitious mumbo jumbo are actually driven by early Christian assumptions about the nature of God, humans and justice. Without realizing it, such critics “are the slaves of some defunct theologian,” Holland said.

He makes these observations although he doesn’t much believe Christianity is true. He was raised in the Church of England, but developed early on as an atheist.

[...] Roman society was all about empire: about winning, conquering, dominating. It idolized the strong, the heroic. People perceived as losers — slaves, the poor, prisoners, the sickly, the conquered — were fit only for contempt and abuse.

Jesus came along teaching unprecedented things about such outcasts: blessed are the poor, the hungry, the sick. The last will be first, and the first last.

Then he was crucified. And resurrected. Then he was raised into heaven as the rightful heir of God, as if he were God himself, or as if, you might say, he was the cosmic Caesar.

The idea that a crucified person could do this was simply madness. It made a hero of victims. It implied that God is closer to the weak than to the mighty. That any beggar might be divine. That the slave had triumphed over the master. That the tortured had bested the torturer.

[...] The Christian message proved inherently subversive. Kings were no more important to God than any given beggar. Every human deserved to be treated with dignity.

As the centuries rolled along, such teachings sowed the seeds of revolutions, as I mentioned. [...] Because Christianity began with Jesus, the ultimate victim of misused power, it bestowed “an inherent virtue within victimhood,” Holland said.

“The idea that to be oppressed is the source of power. I mean it’s a very radical idea that Christianity weaponizes and has weaponized again and again and again... (MORE - missing details)
Social justice and the liberation of oppressed classes was a good idea whose time had come when Jesus taught it. And it remains so to this day.
Jesus never taught social justice or liberation of oppressed classes.
Quote:Jesus never taught social justice or liberation of oppressed classes.'

You should actually read the Gospels and even some of the OT before ignorantly spouting about what Jesus didn't teach.

Luke 4:16-21:

“He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: ‘The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.’ Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, ‘Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.’”

“Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute,” (Psalm 82:3).

“Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, and plead the widow’s cause,” (Isaiah 1:17).

Sounds like social justice to me..
As usual, you're too illiterate to understand the difference between justice and social justice, oppressed and oppressed classes.
LOL! You really should study the Bible sometime. It might do you some good.
Syne would have been too busy filling his wheelbarrow with rocks to hear "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
You should study a dictionary sometime. Then you wouldn't embarrass yourself so often.
(Jan 23, 2025 12:22 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]You should study a dictionary sometime. Then you wouldn't embarrass yourself so often.

Great come back! (WTF?)
Syne somehow thinks that liberating oppressed classes isn't liberating the oppressed and that social justice isn't justice. It's his desperate way of trying to save his ass after I proved to him from the Bible that Jesus taught the values of social justice.
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