(Today 03:39 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:You said, "we forget we are talking to and listening to another person." That doesn't seem to imply any kind of empathy.
It's not. We're not empathizing with the person speaking at all.
Then why did you say?:
(Today 12:23 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]No...identifying with the words and images of the speaker is not narcissism. It's really listening and empathizing with their speaking.
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Quote:We are solely into imagining what is being said, just as we are when watching a movie or reading a book. If you weren't so fixated on trying to trip me up on something all the time you would've grasped this in the thought this was used as an example of.
Really sounds as if you might be spending too much time "imagining" interacting with others. If not, you likely wouldn't sound so defensive.
Definitely explains your little outburst.
Quote:It's really listening and empathizing with their speaking.
Right. With their speaking, not with the person speaking. The words and images are literally experienced as if happening by themselves in our own heads.
Quote:Really sounds as if you might be spending too much time "imagining" interacting with others. If not, you likely wouldn't sound so defensive.
I haven't had a conversation like this in a while. You're inability to grasp the very concept of it suggests you've never had one. That's too bad. It's a really amazing experience.
(Today 03:50 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:It's really listening and empathizing with their speaking.
Right. With their speaking, not with the person speaking. The words and images are literally experienced as if happening by themselves in our own heads.
So "empathizing" in your own head? @_@
Yes, you can empathize with spoken words but not the person, which is often described as cognitive empathy without emotional empathy. This means you can understand a person's situation and emotions logically without necessarily feeling their emotions yourself or feeling any sympathy towards them.
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Yes, this dynamic you described—understanding the words and the underlying logic of a situation without feeling genuine emotional concern for the person experiencing it—closely mirrors how narcissists typically process the world.
- Google AI
Quote:Quote:Really sounds as if you might be spending too much time "imagining" interacting with others. If not, you likely wouldn't sound so defensive.
I haven't had a conversation like this in a while. You're inability to grasp the very concept of it suggests you've never had one. That's too bad. It's a really amazing experience.
It's amazing to forget about the person speaking in front of you and disassociate their words in your mind? @_@
Quote:So "empathizing" in your own head?
Duh...that's where all empathizing occurs, in our own head.
Quote:It's amazing to forget about the person speaking in front of you and disassociate their words in your mind?
It's not disassociating at all. It's identifying with the words and thoughts and images of their speaking as an autonomous flow of your own imagination. Like watching a movie or reading a book. It is the power of creative conversation, which is something you evidently lack the capacity for.
(Today 04:10 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:So "empathizing" in your own head?
Duh...that's where all empathizing occurs, in our own head.
Divorced from the human standing in front of you? @_@
Quote:Quote:It's amazing to forget about the person speaking in front of you and disassociate their words in your mind?
It's not disassociating at all. It's identifying with the words and thoughts and images of their speaking as an autonomous flow of your own imagination. Like watching a movie or reading a book. It is the power of creative conversation, which is something you evidently lack the capacity for.
"an autonomous flow of your own imagination"... like solipsistic narcissism?
Solipsistic narcissism is a form of narcissism where an individual believes that only their own internal reality is real, making them the sole center of the universe. While traditional narcissists seek external admiration, a solipsistic narcissist is so self-absorbed they are completely detached from and unable to perceive others as real, viewing them merely as extensions of their own fantasy world.
- Google AI
"as an autonomous flow of your own imagination" = "as extensions of their own fantasy world"
Perhaps you're so self-absorbed that it hasn't dawned on you that you see anyone who doesn't experience conversations with real people as you do as somehow lacking.
Yes, solipsistic narcissists generally view others as lacking in creativity and a range of other abilities, because their core belief involves an inflated sense of their own superiority and a devaluing of others.
- Google AI
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Quote:Divorced from the human standing in front of you?
Yes...your empathy is all in your own head. They're called mirror neurons. Take a neurology course sometime.
Quote:"an autonomous flow of your own imagination"... like solipsistic narcissism?
Wow. You really are desperate to reduce me to being some narcissist aren't you? You're as pathetic as they come.
(Today 04:31 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Divorced from the human standing in front of you?
Yes...your empathy is all in your own head. They're called mirror neurons. Take a neurology course sometime.
But for most people, those mirror neurons are mirroring the person in front of them... not some dehumanized abstraction in imagination.
Quote:Quote:"an autonomous flow of your own imagination"... like solipsistic narcissism?
Wow. You really are desperate to reduce me to being some narcissist aren't you? You're as pathetic as they come.
When a person with solipsistic and narcissistic tendencies is identified as such, they will rarely acknowledge the feedback and instead react with a pattern of denial, defensiveness, blame-shifting, and projection. Their core belief that only their own mind is certain to exist means they view external feedback as a personal attack on their fabricated reality.
- Google AI
Then quit talking like one. Pretty easy, if you're not. Damn near impossible, if you are.
Quote:But for most people, those mirror neurons are mirroring the person in front of them... not some dehumanized abstraction in imagination.
Wrong. Mirror neurons allow us to empathize with some action someone is performing, not the person themselves. In this case it is the speaking which is identified with, leading to the full immersive experience into what is being said.
Quote:Then quit talking like one
Anyone who attacks another's character for no reason based on nothing more than random results of Google AI searches has problems all of their own.
So... you "empathize with some action someone is performing, not the person themselves."
"it is the speaking which is identified with" instead of the human being, right?
Still defensive and blame-shifting, huh? Attacking your character?
No, solipsistic narcissism is not a character flaw but a mental health condition, specifically a personality disorder, and it is considered a disorder rather than a moral failing. Narcissism, including solipsistic narcissism, stems from an inability to bond and lack of empathy, leading to severe, pathological behaviors that are more than simple arrogance or selfishness.
- Google AI
Quote:Narcissism, including solipsistic narcissism, stems from an inability to bond and lack of empathy, leading to severe, pathological behaviors that are more than simple arrogance or selfishness.
So how does my ability to bond with and empathize with someone's speaking during a conversation even imply that? And what severe pathological behaviors will that lead to?