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INTRO: Using Einstein's theory of general relativity, physicists found that clocks on the moon would run 56 microseconds faster than clocks on Earth. That finding will help future lunar missions navigate.

What time is it on the Moon?

In April 2024, the White House issued a challenge to scientists to establish a lunar time standard, looking ahead to increased international presence on the Moon and potential human bases as part of NASA's Artemis initiative. The real question being puzzled over isn't "What time is it?" but, rather, "How quickly does time pass?"

What time a clock reads can be set by any timekeeper, but physics determines how quickly time passes. In the early years of the 20th century, Albert Einstein determined that two observers won't agree on how long an hour is if they aren't moving at the same speed in the same direction. That disagreement also holds between a person on Earth's surface and another in orbit or on the Moon.

"If we are on the Moon, clocks are going to tick differently [than on Earth]," said theoretical physicist Bijunath Patla of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in Boulder, Colo. He noted that the Moon's motion relative to ours makes clocks run slower than Earth standard, but its lower gravity leads to clocks running faster. "So these are two competing effects, and the net result of this is a 56-microseconds-per-day drift." (That's 0.000056 second.)

Patla and his NIST physicist colleague Neil Ashby used Einstein’s theory of general relativity to calculate this number, an improvement over previous analyses. They published their results in the Astronomical Journal..... (MORE - details)

(Dec 2, 2024 01:54 AM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]https://eos.org/articles/the-relatively-...nar-clocks

INTRO: Using Einstein's theory of general relativity, physicists found that clocks on the moon would run 56 microseconds faster than clocks on Earth. That finding will help future lunar missions navigate.

What time is it on the Moon?

In April 2024, the White House issued a challenge to scientists to establish a lunar time standard, looking ahead to increased international presence on the Moon and potential human bases as part of NASA's Artemis initiative. The real question being puzzled over isn't "What time is it?" but, rather, "How quickly does time pass?"

What time a clock reads can be set by any timekeeper, but physics determines how quickly time passes. In the early years of the 20th century, Albert Einstein determined that two observers won't agree on how long an hour is if they aren't moving at the same speed in the same direction. That disagreement also holds between a person on Earth's surface and another in orbit or on the Moon.

"If we are on the Moon, clocks are going to tick differently [than on Earth]," said theoretical physicist Bijunath Patla of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in Boulder, Colo. He noted that the Moon's motion relative to ours makes clocks run slower than Earth standard, but its lower gravity leads to clocks running faster. "So these are two competing effects, and the net result of this is a 56-microseconds-per-day drift." (That's 0.000056 second.)

Patla and his NIST physicist colleague Neil Ashby used Einstein’s theory of general relativity to calculate this number, an improvement over previous analyses. They published their results in the Astronomical Journal..... (MORE - details)

So on the moon you don't use a pendulum to keep timing, but instead a yo-yo. As the moon moving through phases coupled with it's size (which effects it's and our gravity) would mean sometimes time would speed up or slow down.

Another small point to consider, if the Lunar surface starts to be populated by a society that self-governs, when it comes down to voting for who is in charge, the winner will always have won as a Luna-Tick. (From a voting form being ticked)

When physics is occupied by absurdity and when the emperor wears new clothes, the world will no longer be opposed to ignorant and fearless admirers.
Stupid and ignorant believers + greedy and selfish conspirators formed the torrent of relativity. Einstein knew that once the world woke up, he would be dug up!

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In 2005, Robert B. Laughlin (Physics Nobel Laureate, Stanford University), wrote about the nature of space: "It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed ... The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. ... "

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Special relativity is even more stupid.
The Sagnac effect experiment has already proved that SR is wrong. Supporters, besides singing praises to the theory of relativity, can you use your brain to think seriously?

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My own life experience was this: I did a PhD thesis on SRT in the MIT Physics Department.
Then I went looking for a permanent job, across the street at MIT Draper Lab.
They showed me the Sagnac effect, as part of the guidance and control system for the Apollo program.
I saw, and they already knew, that the Sagnac effect was sure & certain death for SRT!
When I showed the problem to my Physics Prof., he saw it too.
But Einstein was, and still is, a fund-raising icon for Physics.
So many Physicists still do defend the indefensible in SRT.
Engineers are better listeners. Mathematicians are too.

Using the Earth or a fiber optic interferometer as an inertial reference frame, according to Special Relativity's explanation of the MMX, "the speed of light remains constant in an inertial reference frame." Therefore, regardless of how fast or slow the Earth is moving, the time required for light to complete a round trip in two different directions is entirely consistent, and interference cannot occur. However, the fiber optic interferometer detects interference fringes and accurately reflects the tangential velocity of the Earth's rotation, contradicting the conclusions of Special Relativity.

Thus, the fiber optic interferometer has effectively proven that Special Relativity is incorrect! Therefore, the true reason why the MMX experiment cannot observe the movement of interference fringes is that light propagation requires the existence of ether, and the ether is completely dragged by the Earth.

Special Relativity has been erroneously in existence for 100 years, starting from MMX and ending at Sagnac. Although this is difficult to accept, we must confront it.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...nac_Effect