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Trump was his usual rambling insulting 5 yr old self. Harris made her points clearly and intelligently and calmly roasted Trump on a spit like a fat sow. I couldn't be more impressed with her performance. Oh...and btw, Trump says undocumented immigrants are eating dogs and cats in Springfield OH. LOL Just so you know...

(Sep 11, 2024 03:57 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Trump was his usual rambling insulting 5 yr old self. Harris made her points clearly and intelligently and calmly roasted Trump on a spit like a fat sow. I couldn't be more impressed with her performance. Oh...and btw, Trump says undocumented immigrants are eating dogs and cats in Springfield MO. LOL Just so you know...

Someone fed him that information. Advisors are a crucial part of any political team, and one of their key responsibilities is to ensure that the information provided to the candidate is accurate and well-sourced. They should be fact-checking and verifying information before passing it on.



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cats-d...ringfield/

Trump just has a problem with truth period. Here's another patently absurd lie he spued during the debate:

"During the heated debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, several notable—and frankly bizarre—claims were made. Notably, Trump alleged that Democratic states are allowing the execution of babies after birth.

In response to moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis' question about his support for women's reproductive rights, Trump reiterated his misleading claims that it is acceptable to kill babies after birth.

“[Harris’s] vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth – it’s execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born – is OK,” Trump said.

This claim is false. Infanticide — also known as homicide — is illegal in all 50 states."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/sta...172540007/

(Sep 11, 2024 08:24 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]

(Sep 11, 2024 03:57 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Trump was his usual rambling insulting 5 yr old self. Harris made her points clearly and intelligently and calmly roasted Trump on a spit like a fat sow. I couldn't be more impressed with her performance. Oh...and btw, Trump says undocumented immigrants are eating dogs and cats in Springfield MO. LOL Just so you know...

Someone fed him that information. Advisors are a crucial part of any political team, and one of their key responsibilities is to ensure that the information provided to the candidate is accurate and well-sourced. They should be fact-checking and verifying information before passing it on.

Which might or might not undermine the usual narrative that he doesn't prepare for debates[1], which the mainstream regards as folklore, anyway.

Kamala dodged around answering the first question, which essentially was an assessment of the Biden administration: "When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?"

The lack of a direct response -- instead she detours autobiographically into her own plans -- indicates that even she believes Americans are worse off. All it would have taken to rescue Biden was a simple yes, prior to wandering into the blueberry patch.

On the flip side, though, it seemed to have sailed over Trump's head how she had passively thrown Biden under the bus with that dodge of the question and her attempt to portray herself as distinct from the administration.

With the possible exception of Trump[1], candidates are heavily prepped and schooled prior to debates, so that we don't see what pocket change they're actually carrying around in non-artificial, everyday situations. Aside from the occasional interview (etc) they fail to equip for or simply don't care about.

NOTE: Is that an error in their transcript below or did Muir actually say "you and President Trump were elected", instead of "you and Biden"?

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[1] Matt Gaetz: "President Trump doesn’t do debate prep. He regularly assembles advisors to talk about how he will secure the border, lower prices and stop the global chaos caused by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. Just another day at Mar-a-Lago!" --RPOF reveals its gameplan

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Complete Transcript
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...168681007/

APPLICABLE EXCERPT - DAVID MUIR: So let's get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue voters repeatedly say is their number one issue, and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago? When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

DAVID MUIR: President Trump, I'll give you two minutes.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: First of all, I have no sales tax. That's an incorrect statement. She knows that. We're doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we've done for the world. And the tariff will be substantial in some cases. I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money, they can't. It would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do. They've taken in billions of dollars from China and other places. They've left the tariffs on. When I had it, I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation. Look, we've had a terrible economy because inflation has -- which is really known as a country buster. It breaks up countries. We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before. Probably the worst in our nation's history. We were at 21%. But that's being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70, and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people, for the middle class, but for every class. On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums. And they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions. Unions are going to be affected very soon. And you see what's happening. You see what's happening with towns throughout the United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio. You look at Aurora in Colorado. They are taking over the towns. They're taking over buildings. They're going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden let into our country. And they're destroying our country. They're dangerous. They're at the highest level of criminality. And we have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I'll do it again and even better.

(Sep 11, 2024 09:27 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Trump just has a problem with truth period. Here's another patently absurd lie he spued during the debate:

"During the heated debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, several notable—and frankly bizarre—claims were made. Notably, Trump alleged that Democratic states are allowing the execution of babies after birth.

In response to moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis' question about his support for women's reproductive rights, Trump reiterated his misleading claims that it is acceptable to kill babies after birth.

“[Harris’s] vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth – it’s execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born – is OK,” Trump said.

This claim is false. Infanticide — also known as homicide — is illegal in all 50 states."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/sta...172540007/

I think what he’s referring to is the amendment that Walz made in Minnesota. He changed the wording. Pro-Lifers take this to mean comfort care instead of lifesaving care.

A born alive An infant as a result of an abortion who is born alive shall be fully recognized as a human person, and accorded immediate protection under the law. All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken by the responsible medical personnel to preserve the life and health of the born alive infant care for the infant who is born alive.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/laws/2023/0/7...aws.4.56.0

It says here that Oregon has no restrictions on abortions based on how far along in pregnancy you are.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYPEO...ivacy.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VphKmuunxnY

Quote:It says here that Oregon has no restrictions on abortions based on how far along in pregnancy you are.

That's not after birth infanticide. Abortion should be a legal option thruout the pregnancy in rare cases of severe fetal deformity or threat to the mother's life.

(Sep 11, 2024 10:35 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]NOTE: Is that an error in their transcript below or did Muir actually say "you and President Trump were elected", instead of "you and Biden"?

Not an error. That's what was said.

Even Shapiro acknowledges that Harris played Trump like Liberace on a piano. (But like Thomas Sowell, and even JD Vance, it took a while after the 2016 election for Shapiro to cotton to him at all. Trump had to demonstrate that he would follow through with what he claimed.)
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BEN SHAPIRO
https://youtu.be/6nyAtjCHTcA

VIDEO EXCERPT: Donald Trump has not done his job in making sure that the people of America actually know anything about her positions. 30% of Americans say they don't know anything about her positions. And they still don't know anything about her positions because the moderators never pressed her on any of her positions.

And Donald Trump didn't, either. On Donald Trump's side of the aisle he did not perform tonight. He didn't do an amazing job of calling her on her BS.

The best thing he said all night was his closing statement, which is what he should have opened with. He closed with, "Why didn't you do it?". That should have been the very first thing he said in the debate. And the fact that that wasn't what he said right off the top was a mistake.

He was also incredibly distractable tonight. He took the bait on nearly every question every time she said something that you knew was going to get his goat. He just let it happen. So. for example, when she gave him the bait
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Ben Reacts: Trump vs Kamala Presidential Debate

Heh. In contrast to Shapiro, cheerleader Steve Turley is making a big deal over post-debate polls. One of which had no more than ten people in the group.
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DR STEVE TURLEY
https://youtu.be/WqeSvYrCyNE

VIDEO EXCERPTS: The post-debate polls are absolutely flipping out the Democrats, after they thought the three-on-one debate ambush would finally take out Trump. But alas, it was not to be.

[...] The polls over this year show that trust and confidence in legacy media is at its literal rock bottom.

For example, guess what is one of the top search items on Google right now. I kid you not, it's Haitians eating pets. That's freaking gold now.

All the eyewitness testimony and video coming out from Springfield, Ohio showing that Haitian migrants -- particularly homeless migrants -- are stealing pets and eating them is a visual that of course strikes at the heart of the single cat ladies who plan on voting for Kamala.

[...] It doesn't matter anymore what moderators have to say, because people can go on their cell phones and do their own research, and that is exactly what we're seeing them do today.

[...] How bad it is for Kamala and the regime? Take a look at this headline from The New York Times. The political pundits said Harris won the debate. Undecided voters weren't so sure.

Even The New York Times is recognizing that there's a people versus political pundit class divide that did not exist in 2012 and in 2016, or even in 2020, as staunchly as it does today.

Especially after the realignment between Trump and Kennedy -- the alliance between the populace left and the populace right, and the people... versus the political class.

I mean, both sides consume fundamentally different information. The political class consumes the information given to them by the pundit class: The New York Times, CNN. Washington Post. MSNBC.

Whereas, the people are more and more consuming alternative platforms that bypass the information gatekeeping of the legacy media.

And that's exactly what we're seeing in the post-debate polling.

Now take a look at this from Reuters. This is a focus group of undecided voters. They interviewed ten undecided voters post-debate last night. Six are voting Trump, three are backing Kamala, and one remains undecided.

So Reuters is reporting as of this morning that their focus group shows a two to one swing to Trump.

It's very interesting that almost all the polls that are coming out show that most believe Kamala won the debate. But at the same time she's losing votes.

That's exactly what we saw in the CNN flash poll last night, where Kamala actually lost support on the economy, and Trump gained support post-debate. Even though the majority of viewers thought Harris won that debate.

It wasn't just the economy. When asked who do you have a lot of confidence in, regarding their respective abilities to lead the nation, Trump leads Harris by four in the same poll.

And I want to remind you this is a CNN poll, these are CNN viewers...

You won’t BELIEVE what the post-debate POLLS are saying!!!

Geezz...how much hoopla do you have to raise to drown out the deafening jeers of utter defeat?