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Quote:If you could read, you'd notice that your own Newsweek quote said "a lot of people said..." That literally refers to the opinions of others.

Actually Trump says that all the time when he is just making something up.

Quote:And I guess you're completely unaware of the portion of the black culture that glamorizes gang activity in rap, "street cred" for doing jail time, etc.. "A lot of people" could be referring to that.

So black people should be for Trump now because he now "has street cred" for committing white collar crimes? That's just stupid and also racist, stereotyping black people as pro-crime.

(Aug 23, 2024 05:26 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:If you could read, you'd notice that your own Newsweek quote said "a lot of people said..." That literally refers to the opinions of others.

Actually Trump says that all the time when he is just making something up.

I know you don't pay any attention to what happens in the real world, but many people, including many black people, have actually said that. Meaning Trump is literally referring to the opinions of many others. But I know how fact/reality impaired you are. Comes with being a democrat cultist/dupe.

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Quote:And I guess you're completely unaware of the portion of the black culture that glamorizes gang activity in rap, "street cred" for doing jail time, etc.. "A lot of people" could be referring to that.

So black people should be for Trump now because he now "has street cred" for committing white collar crimes? That's just stupid and also racist, stereotyping black people as pro-crime.

Again, I know you're completely ignorant about sub-cultures of the people you want to be a white savior to. Too bad they don't warrant more than your passing attention as political tokens.

Quote:I guess someone needs to tell those black people what to think, huh? Only racists think black people lack personal agency.

LOL He's addressing Congress, not the black people of America.

Quote:I know you don't pay any attention to what happens in the real world, but many people, including many black people, have actually said that. Meaning Trump is literally referring to the opinions of many others.

Go ahead and quote those sources then if "many people, including many black people, have actually said that".

(Aug 23, 2024 10:14 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:I guess someone needs to tell those black people what to think, huh? Only racists think black people lack personal agency.

LOL He's addressing Congress, not the black people of America.

You can't weasel out of the fact that you claimed "Trump is a proven racist idiot and everyone, especially black people, know it," and you used a white savior as evidence. That implies that a white guy needs to tell black people what to think. At the very least, why should a white guy be making the case at all. Aren't there black congressmen would could articulate it, or would that just not play as well other white saviors? Again, using blacks as political tokens rather than presuming they have the agency to do things for themselves. That's racist.

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Quote:I know you don't pay any attention to what happens in the real world, but many people, including many black people, have actually said that. Meaning Trump is literally referring to the opinions of many others.

Go ahead and quote those sources then if "many people, including many black people, have actually said that".

We all know you're so intellectually dishonest you'll just blithely dismiss or completely ignore the following:

Rapper 50 Cent sees black men identifying with Trump "because they got RICO charges":

We conducted a sentiment analysis of 429 randomly selected comments on five Black media platforms: Baller Alert, Shaderoom, The Grio, Revolt, and Essence. The analysis focused on audience reactions to gauge the public’s sentiments to Trump’s conviction and understand what it means for Black people. Comments were categorized into three groups: supportive of the conviction, not supportive of the conviction, and unknown sentiment.

Across all five platforms, the combined sentiment analysis provides a comprehensive view of the public’s reaction:

    Total number of users supporting Trump’s conviction: 101
    Total number of users not supporting Trump’s conviction: 92
    Total number of users with unknown sentiment: 236
- https://www.tantvstudios.com/the-trump-g...n-america/


“He’s convicted, so now he’s in our community,” said Rahim Buford, 53, who also has a felony conviction on his record.
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For Dawn Harrington, who served time on Rikers Island in New York and now directs an organization called Free Hearts for families affected by incarceration in Tennessee, watching the news coverage of Mr. Trump’s criminal conviction last week was upsetting.

She heard liberals rejoice that he was now a “convicted felon,” a term she and others have tried to persuade people not to use.
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After the Trump verdict, she also heard President Biden defend the justice system as a “cornerstone of America” that has endured for “nearly 250 years” — back to a time, Ms. Harrington noted, when slavery was legal.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/03/us/tr...tions.html

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One man makes the point that even Martha Stewart gained black cred by the being convicted of a felony. She sure wasn't hanging with Snoop Dogg before that.

Quote:You can't weasel out of the fact that you claimed "Trump is a proven racist idiot and everyone, especially black people, know it," and you used a white savior as evidence.

Ofcourse I can, especially when the congressman is merely quoting what Trump has said and done. See that's how you determine if people are racists, by what they say and do. Hence Trump is a racist idiot.It's a simple matter of public record.

Quote:“He’s convicted, so now he’s in our community,” said Rahim Buford, 53, who also has a felony conviction on his record.

Oh wow. So one black guy says Trump's in their community because of his convictions. That's certainly a far cry from claiming as you did that many people, including many black people, said they are for Trump because he's been convicted. In fact it doesn't say that at all.

"Donald Trump claiming that Black Americans will support him because of his criminal charges is insulting. It's moronic. And it's just plain racist," Cedric Richmond, a co-chair of Biden's reelection campaign, said in a statement.

"He thinks Black voters are so uninformed that we won't see through his shameless pandering," Richmond said.

The Democratic National Committee went after Trump, too, with a spokesperson saying in a statement that he is "showing Black voters exactly what he thinks of them - and his ideas to win them over are as corny and racist as he is."

The Rev. Al Sharpton spoke out as well at a news conference on Saturday morning, calling what Trump said "an epitome of an insult to Black folks, and if any Black Republicans had any dignity, they would denounce this characterization of Black folk by Donald Trump."

"It goes past politics. The nerve to act like we relate to mug shots -- we all know 'em mug shots because the criminal justice system, in many cases, wasn't fair to us," Sharpton said."

A congressman making a lot of out of context and unsupported claims is very far from determining racism... at least for the intellectually honest.

Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a nonprofit professional association of Latino lawyers that is affiliated with a statewide organization, the La Raza Lawyers of California. Neither these groups nor Curiel are affiliated with the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), an unrelated advocacy group.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_P....emberships

UnidosUS, formerly National Council of La Raza (NCLR) (La Raza), is the United States's largest Latino nonprofit advocacy organization. It advocates in favor of progressive public policy changes including immigration reform, a path to citizenship for migrants, and reduced deportations.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnidosUS

Very easy to confuse those, which is exactly why the wiki points that out. If Curiel were a member of the latter, it would definitely bring into question his impartiality on any case involving the border or illegal immigration.

Some illegal aliens from Mexico are proven rapists. That's a fact.
The "good people on both sides" is a proven lie that is taken out of context, where Trump literally condemned racists and white supremacists. You don't even know you're being fed regurgitated propaganda like a baby bird. Poor little mooncalf.
Many African countries are objectively shit holes. If you think they should be beyond critique because they are majority black, that makes you the racist... presuming they can't be held or compared to the standards of other countries, which implies they are somehow inherently inferior.
Telling people who repeatedly say they hate this country that they can "go back" to the country of their heritage is not racism. It's the same anyone would tell the inconsolably disgruntled. If you don't like it, leave.


As predicted, you're far too intellectually dishonest and racist to do anything but dismiss black people telling you what they think. Everyone can see you pretending that I only posted an example of "one black guy." I would tell you to quit lying, but I really don't think you can stop lying to yourself.

Quote:Very easy to confuse those, which is exactly why the wiki points that out. If Curiel were a member of the latter, it would definitely bring into question his impartiality on any case involving the border or illegal immigration.

So what? It doesn't change the fact that Trump is demonstrably a racist idiot.

Quote:Some illegal aliens from Mexico are proven rapists. That's a fact.

Some American citizens are proven rapists too. He didn't say SOME illegal aliens are rapists:

"he said that Mexican immigrants were “bringing drugs. And they’re bringing crime. And they’re rapists.” When MSNBC asked him about it the next day, he reiterated: “We have drug dealers coming across, we have rapists, we have murderers, we have killers.”

"research indicates that immigrants commit less crimes than U.S.-born people.

Much of the available data focuses on incarceration rates because that's where immigration status is recorded.

Some of the most extensive research comes from Stanford University. Economist Ran Abramitzky found that since the 1960s, immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born people.

There is also state level research, that shows similar results: researchers at the CATO Institute, a libertarian think tank, looked into Texas in 2019. They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime.

Beyond incarceration rates, research also shows that there is no correlation between undocumented people and a rise in crime. Recent investigations by The New York Times and The Marshall Project found that between 2007 and 2016, there was no link between undocumented immigrants and a rise in violent or property crime in those communities.

The reason for this gap in criminal behavior might have to do with stability and achievement. The Stanford study concludes that first-generation male immigrants traditionally do better than U.S-.born men who didn't finish high school, which is the group most likely to be incarcerated in the U.S.

The study also suggests that there's a real fear of getting in trouble and being deported within immigrant communities. Far from engaging in criminal activities, immigrants mostly don't want to rock the boat."---
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/08/123710315...udies-find

Quote:The "good people on both sides" is a proven lie that is taken out of context,

No it isn't. He said it about white supremacists. That they were "very fine people." No context changes the meaning of that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fact...943239002/

Quote:Many African countries are objectively shit holes.

Which now makes you a disgusting racist.

Quote:Telling people who repeatedly say they hate this country that they can "go back" to the country of their heritage is not racism.

"Country of their heritage"? WTH does that mean? Telling ethnically different American citizens they can "go back to their own country" is clearly racist.

"Go back to where you came from" is a racist or xenophobic epithet which is used in many countries, and it is mainly used to target immigrants and falsely presumed immigrants.

In contemporary United States, it is directed often at Asian and Hispanic Americans, and sometimes African, Arab, Jewish, and Slavic Americans.[2][3] It has even been directed towards Indigenous Americans in the US.[4] There is also a common variant of the phrase that has been popularized by the Ku Klux Klan: "Go back to your country." The phrase has a long history which goes back at least as far as 1798. It was originally used in the US by White Anglo-Saxon Protestants and targeted at other European immigrants, such as Irish, Italians, Poles, and Jews"---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_back_to..._came_from

(Aug 24, 2024 05:58 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Very easy to confuse those, which is exactly why the wiki points that out. If Curiel were a member of the latter, it would definitely bring into question his impartiality on any case involving the border or illegal immigration.

So what? It doesn't change the fact that Trump is demonstrably a racist idiot.

Since there's a reasonable explanation for why someone would assume Judge Curiel couldn't be impartial, you're going to have to do a lot better than TDS ad homs.

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Quote:Some illegal aliens from Mexico are proven rapists. That's a fact.

Some American citizens are proven rapists too.

That's a ridiculous argument. That's like saying, "since murders happen, we shouldn't do anything to stop more murders."
There being American rapists doesn't mean we should allow more rapists into the country illegally, which is what Biden-Harris have been doing... proven by convicted illegal alien rapists.

Quote:"he said that Mexican immigrants were “bringing drugs. And they’re bringing crime. And they’re rapists.” When MSNBC asked him about it the next day, he reiterated: “We have drug dealers coming across, we have rapists, we have murderers, we have killers.”

All of that is a fact. Nowhere does he say every single one is a criminal. That's just your TDS straw man.
The fact is that illegals are coming in without any vetting, so there's no way to tell how many are criminals.

Quote:"research indicates that immigrants commit less crimes than U.S.-born people.

You're conflating legal immigrants with illegal aliens again. It's intellectually dishonest.

Quote:They found that undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime.

How could you possibly have a percentage when we don't even know the actual number of illegal aliens in the US.
That means they're making up bullshit. Not that I'd ever accuse you or the left of understanding basic things like math.

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Quote:The "good people on both sides" is a proven lie that is taken out of context,

No it isn't. He said it about white supremacists. That they were "very fine people." No context changes the meaning of that.

If you insist on ignoring reality, that's your own mental illness.

"Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
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"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists.
- https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/...s-remarks/

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Quote:Many African countries are objectively shit holes.

Which now makes you a disgusting racist.

If you're unable to objectively compare the standard of living and conditions of different countries, again, that's your own mental illness.
Again, you assuming majority black countries cannot be held to the same standards is objectively racist. You know, as opposed to your unsupported ad homs.

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Quote:Telling people who repeatedly say they hate this country that they can "go back" to the country of their heritage is not racism.

"Country of their heritage"? WTH does that mean?

You do know that America is a relatively young country, right? And that most people here, especially white Europeans, have a heritage that originates elsewhere, right?
Or are you a complete imbecile?

Quote:"Go back to where you came from" is a racist or xenophobic epithet which is used in many countries, and it is mainly used to target immigrants and falsely presumed immigrants.

Your irrational TDS just makes you incapable of understanding anything but the least charitable interpretations of everything said.
You do know that the principle of charity is a sign of intellectual honesty, right? What am I saying, of course you don't. You've repeatedly demonstrated, in this thread and across your entire history on forums, that you have zero working understanding of the concept of intellectual honesty.

Quit being such a hateful, racist moron.