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That says nothing about returning to welfare or relapse. The number of people who get off welfare or recover from addiction is only relevant compared to the rate of return and relapse. That's why I include prison. You could also say everyone without a life sentence gets out of prison. The naive might assume that's a high success rate, but recidivism tells a different story. If you can't see the obvious parallels, you're just hopelessly naive... like most leftists, where their ideals trump the reality.

At least there are programs helping the poor out of poverty and rehabs saving addicts from addiction. So with all their whining what do conservatives offer? Nothing. Oh yeah they SAY they help them with some sort of vague allusion to trickle-down economics. The rising tide raises all boats etc, But history shows that never works in the long run.

The historically low minority, and record low general, unemployment during the Trump administration demonstrates otherwise. Just because you're on a fixed income, likely mental disability, and didn't notice it personally doesn't alter the fact.

Need I remind you that Christians give the most to charity. Leftists just demand that aid be stolen from others, through taxation, because they're not doing it themselves. They just get to virtue-signal for making such demands... like you're doing now.

Again, if people do not remain out of poverty or unaddicted, it's a failure. You can't help anyone who hasn't already decided to help themselves. Hence all the relapses. If people are not taking responsibility for the behaviors, those same behavior will always lead them back to the same place.

Quote:Need I remind you that Christians give the most to charity. Leftists just demand that aid be stolen from others, through taxation, because they're not doing it themselves. They just get to virtue-signal for making such demands... like you're doing now.

So it's "virtue signaling" when non-christians give to charity, but not when Christians do it? I recently gave a sizeable amount to Go Fund Me for a kid who needs a new kidney. How is this not valid while a Christian giving is? Maybe giving to others should be virtue signaled. People should feel good about helping others. And it would only encourage others to do the same to see it being done..

Again, learn to read. Christians give their own money, willingly. Leftists demand money be taken from others, not out of their own pockets. That's the difference between a church or charity helping people and welfare. One is voluntary while the other is mandated by the force of government.

You know, the subject we were actually talking about... welfare. Christians would rather, and do, help people more willingly.

Welfare programs are government programs and as such are payed for by taxes as all government programs are. It's not something the sinister "leftists" are doing. If you have a problem with our government, move to another country.


"Here are the thirteen welfare programs in the United States. They provide food, shelter, education expenses, child care, preschool, home energy, cell phones, job training, and general cash support. They all target low-income families or individuals and are, therefore, welfare programs.

Refundable Tax Credits – These tax credits pay out cash as welfare. The two programs are the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and the Child Tax Credit. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) runs the programs. The tax credits include a “refundable” portion that benefits individuals and families that owe no income tax for the year. Therefore, this portion acts as welfare or a “negative income tax.”

SNAP – SNAP is a food program for low-income individuals and families. SNAP stands for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, which used to be called the food stamp program. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) runs the program. Participants receive a debit card for the purchase of food. Most grocery stores around the nation accept the cards.

Housing Assistance – The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) runs various housing programs. The programs include rental assistance, public housing, and various community development grants.

SSI—SSI stands for Supplemental Security Income. The Social Security Administration runs this program, which pays cash to low-income individuals who are blind, disabled, or over 65 years of age.

Pell Grants—The Department of Education runs this grant program to help low-income students go to college. It pays up to about $7,000 to students from low-income households.

TANF -TANF stands for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. This combined federal and state program pays cash to low-income households and various other family and community support. The goal of the program is to move individuals from welfare to work. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) runs the program.

Child Nutrition – These food programs include school lunch, breakfast, and after-school programs. They target children from low-income households and provide free or reduced-price meals. The USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) runs the programs.

Head Start – This preschool program is available to kids from low-income families. HHS runs the program.

Job Training Programs—This includes several programs that provide job training, displacement, and employment services. The Department of Labor (DOL) runs these programs.

WIC— WIC stands for Women, Infants, and Children and provides Healthy food to pregnant women and children up to five years of age.

Child Care—This program supports low-income families with child care. HHS runs the program, and states and local public and private agencies receive block grants from HHS to provide the services.

LIHEAP— LIHEAP stands for Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program. This is a program to help low-income households with their home energy costs, either the heating or cooling of a home. HHS runs the program.

Lifeline (Obama Phone) – This program, run by the Federal Communications Commission, provides discounted phone or internet service.

In addition to the 13 programs shown above, U.S. Welfare Programs include the Medicaid Program, which provides health care to low-income citizens and certain non-citizens.​"--- https://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-programs/

If you think all welfare is equally agreed upon by both political parties, you're simply delusional.
If you don't know which party most extols their virtues.. as you do so... you're self-deluded as well.

Quote:If you don't know which party most extols their virtues.. as you do so... you're self-deluded as well.

Seems to me the extolling of the virtue of "not virtue signaling" is common for conservatives. "Oh look at me! I don't support welfare programs because I am humble and don't make a show of my altruism." Can anyone, in their defense of the things they support or don't support, NOT virtual signal about it? It doesn't mean you're necessarily bragging if you talk about supporting moral causes. And imo virtue signaling isn't really so bad if you are supporting a program that lifts 45 million Americans out of poverty every year. The good that is being done far outweighs any badness from alleged virtue signaling.

Apparently, you don't even understand what virtue-signalling is.
Virtue-signalling is not what you do when you're the one exhibiting the virtuous behavior. There's no need to merely signal what you actual do.
Virtue-signalling is only necessary when you are not the one personally accomplishing the virtuous behavior.

It's effectively stolen valor, but for moral good instead of military service. You're claiming virtue you have not personally earned through any direct action of your own.

Quote:Virtue-signalling is not what you do when you're the one exhibiting the virtuous behavior. There's no need to merely signal what you actual do.
Virtue-signalling is only necessary when you are not the one personally accomplishing the virtuous behavior.

Apparently you don't even know what it is:

vir·tue sig·nal·ing
noun derogatory
"the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue."
"it's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things"

That says nothing about taking credit or honor for something you didn't do. It's simply telling people where you stand on moral causes and issues. And there's nothing wrong with that at all. People who find it intimidating should look into their own souls maybe.