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Who says there's no physical evidence of ufos?

https://youtu.be/fuGiAbpLcSE

Another such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-T4Aa4UPI8
Towards the end, Luis Elizondo gravely hints at 'serious efforts' are 'underway' to 'reverse engineer' the 'alien artifacts' towards 'game-changer' 'breakthrough tech'. Ha ha ha ha.
Good luck Luis. Heard all that before. Like microchips & optical fiber 'somehow' were 'reverse engineered' from Roswell 1947 'crashed saucer wreckage'. Except - the actual real history of how microchips & optical fiber came about is well documented and had zero to do with 'reverse engineered' 'alien tech'.


A prolific poster here has p296 #5917 over at another forum (where I got life banned for speaking unpopular truths), amidst the higher-education-babble-waffle, obliquely referred to my position as
"...one individual may regard a UFO incident as a space visitor, another as a demon,..."
Shorn of any particular religious garb, or specific word label, that choice is, once the total sweep of accumulated evidence is taken on board, easily the most coherent, consistent fingerprinting. Nothing else really fits together. Believe it or not.

No self-styled skeptic at the other site attempted to objectively poke holes in veracity of the 1978 Enfield Poltergeist case, linked to below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sls6pszMGfk BBC 1978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvraq3KfP6w Channel 4 2007

Combine such with e.g. The Strange Case of Doctor X:
https://www.thinkanomalous.com/drx-ufo.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVH9wu28yEQ

Once the UFO/Supernatural connection is researched, recognized and accepted, oddly shaped but otherwise mundane composition metallic alloy 'sky-fall' artifacts, becomes very unlikely as 'hard evidence' of physical space alien visitations and associated 'craft malfunctions'. Metallic bowel evacuations, conveniently in sight of startled onlookers, after trouble-free crossings of umpteen light-years? Ha ha ha ha. 'They' have a sense of humor it seems.

(Apr 2, 2022 09:51 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Who says there's no physical evidence of ufos?

https://youtu.be/fuGiAbpLcSE

https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-10-12/

(Apr 3, 2022 05:21 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr 2, 2022 09:51 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Who says there's no physical evidence of ufos?

https://youtu.be/fuGiAbpLcSE

https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-10-12/

For causal observers idly discouraged by the intervening clutter, the applicable item is further down on that page.

EXCERPTS: The object in question is made of accreted grinding residue. It forms in a manner similar to a common stalagmite when metal castings are “cleaned” on large stationary grinders.

[...] A foundry standgrinder (click image to enlarge). {A} is the grinding wheel composed of abrasive and adhesive. {b} is where the casting rests. The stalagmites form inside the grinding wheel guard {C} just behind the two large bolt heads.

[...] Not many large stalagmites exist as souvenirs anymore because the metal is now so valuable that it is collected and sold for scrap. There is also a concerted effort to keep the grinding guards clean and remove the stalagmites before they grow so large that they break off and destroy the grinder by becoming jammed between the guard and wheel. It is possible that Bob White’s artifact was not identified sooner because few old foundries remain which use the antiquated grinding equipment that produces them. Foundry work in the U.S. has been steadily outsourced to developing nations such as Mexico, China, and India...

I make a blade from a stalagmite that has grown under the grinder ... https://youtu.be/sEY_jy1GtMc
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Wow! That’s pretty cool. Some people used them for garden décor but started scaping them when prices went up. The knife is a great idea.

(Apr 3, 2022 06:04 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr 3, 2022 05:21 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr 2, 2022 09:51 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]Who says there's no physical evidence of ufos?

https://youtu.be/fuGiAbpLcSE

https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-10-12/

For causal observers idly discouraged by the intervening clutter, the applicable item is further down on that page.

EXCERPTS: The object in question is made of accreted grinding residue. It forms in a manner similar to a common stalagmite when metal castings are “cleaned” on large stationary grinders.

[...] A foundry standgrinder (click image to enlarge). {A} is the grinding wheel composed of abrasive and adhesive. {b} is where the casting rests. The stalagmites form inside the grinding wheel guard {C} just behind the two large bolt heads.

[...] Not many large stalagmites exist as souvenirs anymore because the metal is now so valuable that it is collected and sold for scrap. There is also a concerted effort to keep the grinding guards clean and remove the stalagmites before they grow so large that they break off and destroy the grinder by becoming jammed between the guard and wheel. It is possible that Bob White’s artifact was not identified sooner because few old foundries remain which use the antiquated grinding equipment that produces them. Foundry work in the U.S. has been steadily outsourced to developing nations such as Mexico, China, and India...

I make a blade from a stalagmite that has grown under the grinder ... https://youtu.be/sEY_jy1GtMc
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Nice try. Counter-counter-counter debunking (figure out where that puts yous alls vs me!):

https://web.mit.edu/course/other/machine...minum.html
Maybe someone can do a spot of Bob White objectively neutral investigative journalism. Guess that rules out all the highly polarized personally invested in their pet position posters here to date. This is so exciting!

PS: I can personally vouch for the aluminum clog as fact - having done plenty of grinding of various ferrous and similar alloys vs aluminum. You won't get anywhere near reproducing the Bob White
'aluminum-silicon alloy' 'pine cones' via regular grinding wheel grinding. Same deal with attempting to grind copper btw.
Also, the lore surrounding lab examinations of Bob White 'UFO discards' mentions nothing about highly porous/oxidized/friable microstructure - which is what one must expect if it's all just a silly hoax involving grinding residue in general. But who really knows?

Notwithstanding 'disqualifying myself' via previous post remarks, here is what probably should be left as a passably balanced pair of links:
https://georgewingfield.blogspot.com/201...ifact.html
https://medium.com/@larrycekander/larry-...3f1eebe078

Both positions contain within, and reference to, glaring errors and contradictions, but imo it's just not worth detailing such. Best to leave as is and just move on.